I bet in no time, we 'discover' that Spock has this huge family. And all of them in some way are not the prototypical Vulcan. Humans, half-Vulcans, searchers for God, a talking dog with pointy ears, senile old Grandma Spockina...
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As an aside, if you ever have time to kill, Tor.com also does re-watches and re-reads of popular sci-fantasy/series. The Next Gen and DS9 rewatches are by Keith DeCandido, a noted sci-fi writer, and also has commentary from other writers as well.
You can also find them for properties such as Buffy and Wheel of Time. There was no re-read of an Ice and Fire, but there was a series of posts by someone reading it for the first time, which was very entertaining if you're into that sort of thing.
Well here we go season 2. I'm just not sure about the writing on this show. I mean they changed over the writing and creative of this show and it changed some direction, but the fundamental problems remain
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If I was going to label this show, it was a lot of action for little result, and little less that made sense. This was the problem with the writing last year was that the pacing was all over the map.
The story basically opens with a young michael meeting her nearly infant aged step brother Spork (I kid it was actually Sybok, wait sorry it was spock). Again this show continues to absolutely mess with continuity of the original series time line. For example the Enterprise misses the war due to the Enterprise being away on a five year mission, which conflicts with the Enterprise going under its first 5 year mission under Kirk years later. Anyways, that and Spock's age is just confusing as hell.
Anyways, baby spock, doesn't like his new sister and slams the door in her face after making a holographic dragon. Then they go forward to the whole Pike taking command of the Enterprise thing, and right into laying the premise of the season, that there are 4 lights, err 7 lights or something like that and the Pikster needs the Discovery because the Enteprise is damaged and needs to go check them out because Spocko dreamed about them.
So they went right into break neck pace again, which killed the series last year pacing wise because they over wrought the audience.
Then they warp off, after Pike asks the bridge crew to introduce themselves, because the shows writers probably realized that they had done nothing with the bridge crew last year and everybody was viewing them as plastic dummies. Anyways they get caught in an asteroid field and then find a star ship and for whatever reason, that they can't use shuttles or the transporter have to have an action sequences where Pike, Burnham and two disposible yeomans have a top gun meets Millenium Falcon (Never tell me the odds mannnn) scene of screaming through the asteroid where Michael saves Pike. There they run into an insane survivor from a Federation Frigate who has been doing frankens surgery on her crew mates to keep them alive.
Oh did I mention that they had a hilarious elevator scene where an alien with a cold sneezed all over a dude. I mean it was a subtle nod to humor or the Oville or something like that.
Even then Michael saves the day, nearly dies and then they decide to vacuum an asteroid into the docking bay for science.
During that Stamets decides to leave the ship for reasons and Tilly and him have these weirdly awkward scenes. Then Tilly has a scene with a weirdly smiling Burham. Then we find out that they spinal tapped Tilly when she joined the Command training program by dialing up her annoying ADD factor to 11.
Dear Star Trek Writers;
I'm sure that there are some good ideas or story in there somewhere, but you pack so much stuff into your episodes that its like impossible to find it.
On the strong side I liked Mount's portrayal of Pike. However the rest of the crew except for Saru were either just plain annoying (Tilly), weird (Stamets) jarringly reminded me of a bipolar serial killer (Burnham).
Oh did I mention that Spock had saved his logs and a map of the spots andnd hilariously only Burnham could figure out that he kept a log. Oh and she also saw a red angel we think.
I'd like to say that I liked it, or that it was improved over last seasons messy writing and uneven plots and acting. But I'm not sure that it is, the only thing they did was jam more stuff in and increase the pace.
Its almost like I could hear George Lucas yelling int he background "Faster with more energy, and throw in more swearing)
Oh and can Tilly get transferred or assimilated by the Borg. Her character isn't cute or funny, she's just outright annoying.
I'll give the episode the benefit of the doubt and give it a solid meh/10.
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As I guess since the 5 year mission is done, in this reality there is no Captain Kirk. Boo!
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That's a big break in continuity even in the Kelvan verse where Pike wasn't a super long term captain and the first five year mission was under Kirk.
And the logic of holding them out there away from the war that they were badly losing, made absolutely no sense since the Enterprise was the Fleet Flagship and that class of Star Ship was the most powerful in the fleet
Oh and Axanar resumes production, unfortunately they can't do a full movie but can do 30 minutes of video broken into 15 minute episodes.
Arguing about continuity is a waste of time. Is there anywhere in canon that confirms that in the prime timeline that Kirk had the first five-year mission of the Enterprise? If anything, part of the intrigue of this new Star Trek will be seeing how it unfolds towards resolving itself into the established canon. I'm stoked to see a younger, rougher, more emotionally conflicted Spock.
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Unlike the first season, which I thought was a clusterfuch from the very first scene and didn't improve much, this second season seems to have set up a much more solid platform for the rest of the story to come. The over-arc is simple enough ("we have to investigate this eff'd up ess, lets go!") and allows for more room for the secondary over-arc, being a united crew learning to trust their new captain, which I think is an awesome direction to go.
That being said, I'm not sure what I think of Cullen Bohanan as captain. Seriously, I think Anson Mount is just channeling Cullen Bohanan's great great great great great great great great great great great great-grandson, who happens to be named Christopher Pike and is a starship captain. He even still uses the accent from Hell on Wheels, just at about half intensity.
Stamens and Tilly are going to make great comic relief. I actually like how awkward they've made her. She's obviously very intelligent, and driven, and emotionally emphatic to the people around her. She also suffers from an incredible amount of anxiety. I think there are a lot of people in the world who can relate to her in a big way, much like a character like Data meant a lot to people on the autism spectrum. Acute anxiety is a bitch, and it robs many people of their dreams, their self-esteem, and then their drive to push forward. Her ambition to overcome this to become a captain makes her their champion. The captain joking with her on the bridge was a great touch.
The action sequences were super sweet. Even the Discovery itself, which last season I still think looked kind of looked goofy, seems to be less goofy. The pod-racing through the asteroids was really cool! Awesome production value for a TV show.
As I guess since the 5 year mission is done, in this reality there is no Captain Kirk. Boo!
It has long been established that Kirk was not the first captain of the Enterprise and that it was in-service long before he took command.
According to the various bits of history that have been presented over the years, the Enterprise NCC-1701 was launched in 2245 under the command of Captain Robert April. April served as the captain for five years. Captain Pike had been April's first officer and took command of the ship in 2250. He served as its captain for 15 years. Captain Kirk then took command in 2265.
The ship was built specifically to go on long-term, long-range missions. It has been in-service for 20 years when Kirk became its captain. It makes sense that it would have been on multiple multi-year missions in that time.
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Arguing about continuity is a waste of time. Is there anywhere in canon that confirms that in the prime timeline that Kirk had the first five-year mission of the Enterprise? If anything, part of the intrigue of this new Star Trek will be seeing how it unfolds towards resolving itself into the established canon. I'm stoked to see a younger, rougher, more emotionally conflicted Spock.
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Unlike the first season, which I thought was a clusterfuch from the very first scene and didn't improve much, this second season seems to have set up a much more solid platform for the rest of the story to come. The over-arc is simple enough ("we have to investigate this eff'd up ess, lets go!") and allows for more room for the secondary over-arc, being a united crew learning to trust their new captain, which I think is an awesome direction to go.
That being said, I'm not sure what I think of Cullen Bohanan as captain. Seriously, I think Anson Mount is just channeling Cullen Bohanan's great great great great great great great great great great great great-grandson, who happens to be named Christopher Pike and is a starship captain. He even still uses the accent from Hell on Wheels, just at about half intensity.
Stamens and Tilly are going to make great comic relief. I actually like how awkward they've made her. She's obviously very intelligent, and driven, and emotionally emphatic to the people around her. She also suffers from an incredible amount of anxiety. I think there are a lot of people in the world who can relate to her in a big way, much like a character like Data meant a lot to people on the autism spectrum. Acute anxiety is a bitch, and it robs many people of their dreams, their self-esteem, and then their drive to push forward. Her ambition to overcome this to become a captain makes her their champion. The captain joking with her on the bridge was a great touch.
The action sequences were super sweet. Even the Discovery itself, which last season I still think looked kind of looked goofy, seems to be less goofy. The pod-racing through the asteroids was really cool! Awesome production value for a TV show.
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It has long been established that Kirk was not the first captain of the Enterprise and that it was in-service long before he took command.
According to the various bits of history that have been presented over the years, the Enterprise NCC-1701 was launched in 2245 under the command of Captain Robert April. April served as the captain for five years. Captain Pike had been April's first officer and took command of the ship in 2250. He served as its captain for 15 years. Captain Kirk then took command in 2265.
The ship was built specifically to go on long-term, long-range missions. It has been in-service for 20 years when Kirk became its captain. It makes sense that it would have been on multiple multi-year missions in that time.
Imagine partying it up with Nelix & Tuvok on a cruise ship for a week. It'd be epic to spend time with Shatner as well. I couldn't ever be seen at a convention but here...
