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View Poll Results: If you could vote on Super Tuesday who would you vote for?
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Joe Biden
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Michael Bloomberg
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Pete Buttigieg
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Amy Klobucher
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Bernie Sanders
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47.89% |
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Elizabeth Warren
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10.80% |
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02-04-2020, 06:40 AM
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#681
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Join Date: Apr 2012
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How about Biden actually ending up the real winner here? His performance was awful, but no one is gonna talk about it because this debacle will go front and center, and Buttigieg replaces Biden as the Bernie supporter target of choice (#MayorCheat and #PeteTheCheat already top trends). For finishing fourth at best, Biden is gonna come out of this pretty clean.
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02-04-2020, 06:59 AM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
How about Biden actually ending up the real winner here? His performance was awful, but no one is gonna talk about it because this debacle will go front and center, and Buttigieg replaces Biden as the Bernie supporter target of choice (#MayorCheat and #PeteTheCheat already top trends). For finishing fourth at best, Biden is gonna come out of this pretty clean.
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Nate Silver wrote an article this morning about who benefits the most from a hypothetical situation where the Iowa primary doesn't happen. The model showed Biden's chances of getting the nomination increasing from 43% to 50%, while Sanders' decreased from 31% to 24%.
None of this passes the smell test for me. The DNC saw Sanders' momentum increasing, and took steps to stop it.
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02-04-2020, 07:06 AM
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#683
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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Kinda weird going to bed, waking up and seeing nothing has changed. You’d think in 2020 they’d have a better system in place in the U.S. obviously this doesn’t work, especially if you’re using apps as well that don’t work.
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02-04-2020, 07:15 AM
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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The system is fine. They could have hand counted by now. The DNC is suppressing this and Biden has protested it to suppress it some more.
Let's see what happens in New Hampshire.
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02-04-2020, 07:20 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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The system is idiotic. Parents literally having to get babysitters to participate? Doesn't sound very democratic.
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02-04-2020, 07:52 AM
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#686
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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How do you suppress a caucus result? It's not like an anonymous ballot box, everything is visible by everyone. If caucus results differed from what people who were there saw then that'd be easily reported.
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02-04-2020, 07:59 AM
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#687
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by photon
How do you suppress a caucus result? It's not like an anonymous ballot box, everything is visible by everyone. If caucus results differed from what people who were there saw then that'd be easily reported.
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By not officially announcing anything.
App problems aside, what was the backup plan? Calling it into the DNC? The scruteniers know the result. NBC had reporters on site in some gyms reporting delegates.
Such as county 888
Sanders 4
Warren 3
Pete 2
So if county 888 calls in then those results, they should announced. It may take hours but eventually all 1600 will call in.
But officially they haven't announced one single result from the 1600 areas.
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02-04-2020, 08:01 AM
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#688
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
How about Biden actually ending up the real winner here? His performance was awful, but no one is gonna talk about it because this debacle will go front and center, and Buttigieg replaces Biden as the Bernie supporter target of choice (#MayorCheat and #PeteTheCheat already top trends). For finishing fourth at best, Biden is gonna come out of this pretty clean.
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Yeah I do think this quiets Biden's poor showing but I'm not convinced it will matter for him.
Bloomberg the biggest benefactor by skipping Iowa altogether. No one is talking about the candidates.
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02-04-2020, 08:03 AM
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#689
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Franchise Player
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Lots of team based conspiracy theories. Iowa Doesn’t mean anything. Move along to the next one and recognize it doesn’t matter either. Nothing matters until Super Tuesday.
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02-04-2020, 08:06 AM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Winebar Kensington
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Iowa, you’re fired!
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02-04-2020, 08:07 AM
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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The winner of Iowa on the Democratic side always wins the nomination.
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02-04-2020, 08:13 AM
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addition by subtraction
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Tulsa, OK
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GirlySports
By not officially announcing anything.
App problems aside, what was the backup plan? Calling it into the DNC? The scruteniers know the result. NBC had reporters on site in some gyms reporting delegates.
Such as county 888
Sanders 4
Warren 3
Pete 2
So if county 888 calls in then those results, they should announced. It may take hours but eventually all 1600 will call in.
But officially they haven't announced one single result from the 1600 areas.
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I think because they were counting on the app to tabulate they were not equipped to handle the call-ins from 1600 precincts. There have been plenty of reports of people waiting an hour on the phone. I heard on NPR this morning about precinct captains deciding to just go home and call this morning.
My assumption would be with how botched its been, they are just wanting to release everything at the same time instead of trickling it out.
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"Once you report something, it's really hard to undo it, no matter how many retractions you print, no matter how many apologies you say, it's too late," Jones says. "From that point of view, someone hacking the reporting process, even though its purpose is entirely informal, not intended to have any permanent importance, is something that could be very disruptive."
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You also have to remember that in a normal election, precincts report to the counties and then the counties report to the state. In this case, it doesn't look as if they had any sort of intermediary layer set up to handle all the volume.
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Unlike many states in which local and state officials oversee the presidential primary election, in Iowa the state party is responsible for administering, staffing and funding the caucuses, relying primarily on trained but unpaid volunteers.
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For what its worth, NPR and Iowa Public Radio have been reporting on this app issue for weeks. (thats where that above quotes comes from as well)
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/14/79590...smartphone-app
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Cybersecurity experts interviewed by NPR said that the party's decision to withhold the technical details of its app doesn't do much to protect the system — and instead makes it hard to have complete confidence in it.
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02-04-2020, 08:26 AM
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I don't really pay attention to this stuff, why is Iowa so important?
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02-04-2020, 08:27 AM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
How about Biden actually ending up the real winner here? His performance was awful, but no one is gonna talk about it because this debacle will go front and center, and Buttigieg replaces Biden as the Bernie supporter target of choice (#MayorCheat and #PeteTheCheat already top trends). For finishing fourth at best, Biden is gonna come out of this pretty clean.
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Yeah I do think this quiets Biden's poor showing but I'm not convinced it will matter for him.
Bloomberg the biggest benefactor by skipping Iowa altogether. No one is talking about the candidates.
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02-04-2020, 08:28 AM
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wins 10 internets
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: slightly to the left
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogbert
Nate Silver wrote an article this morning about who benefits the most from a hypothetical situation where the Iowa primary doesn't happen. The model showed Biden's chances of getting the nomination increasing from 43% to 50%, while Sanders' decreased from 31% to 24%.
None of this passes the smell test for me. The DNC saw Sanders' momentum increasing, and took steps to stop it.
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Ya this reeks of more DNC intervention to stop Sanders. All pre-caucus polls showed Sanders winning, and the first satellite results were backing that up. So then the app developed by a group funded by Buttigeig suddenly has issues and no winner is declared. It reads like a badly written movie script
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02-04-2020, 08:34 AM
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#696
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Marseilles Of The Prairies
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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame
I don't really pay attention to this stuff, why is Iowa so important?
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Because it's 95% white?
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02-04-2020, 08:42 AM
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#697
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: not lurking
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda
Ya this reeks of more DNC intervention to stop Sanders. All pre-caucus polls showed Sanders winning, and the first satellite results were backing that up. So then the app developed by a group funded by Buttigeig suddenly has issues and no winner is declared. It reads like a badly written movie script
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But that element of the conspiracy doesn't make sense, in that Buttigieg needed a good result (which all indications seem to suggest that he got, even if he didn't outright win), even more than Sanders did. That same 538 article had Buttigieg's percentage odds dropping from 4 to <1 without Iowa. I think Hanlon's razor applies here.
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02-04-2020, 08:50 AM
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame
I don't really pay attention to this stuff, why is Iowa so important?
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The elections in the USA are very momentum based. The first states often influence the later ones. Also the end of the first primaries decide who is left to run, as only a few candidates will be left buy the time you get to South Carolina. So they effectively decide who gets a bunch of secondary votes from candidates as they drop out.
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02-04-2020, 08:51 AM
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Iowa is important because it is first. Many Americans have not watched any coverage until last night.
The winner gets to make the first winning speech and gets momentum in fundraising as an actual contender that one could donate to.
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