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View Poll Results: What role do humans play in contributing to climate change?
Humans are the primary contributor to climate change 258 66.15%
Humans contribute to climate change, but not the main cause 102 26.15%
Not sure 21 5.38%
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Old 07-16-2019, 04:34 PM   #681
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...anada)#Alberta


I'm not sure you can really find a trend here, keep in mind reporting is probably really spotty in earlier years. The more people around to see it, the more reports you are going to get. In 1982 you may have thought the world was going to end. We've had a few years recently with more reported, but you can't really call that a trend either, as 1980-1982 was worse. At a quick check I don't see how you could attribute that to climate change, just looking at Alberta numbers.
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Old 07-16-2019, 04:38 PM   #682
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I'd also love to see HOW you attribute this year's tornadoes to climate change. Is it because it is cooler/wetter than average? It's pretty easy to say "climate change is causing this" it's a lot harder to justify it by relating it to climatic trends in the province.
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Re: Tornadoes

Tornadoes are hard to scientifically relate to climate change for a variety of reasons. They are also only one element of extreme weather events in the larger climate change picture. No real disagreement there.

However, when you look at the stats of how many tornadoes there are (as posted on the previous page), you have to go one level deeper and look at where they're actually happening, and meta changes over time.

In the U.S. south particularly, there is an area called "Dixie Alley" which has seen a dramatic uptick in the number/frequency of tornadoes in recent decades. Whereas historically they have been prevalent on the Great Plains in the US (the traditional Tornado Alley), it has shifted southward and eastbound. Kansas, Oklahoma, etc. will still get their tornado patterns, but it's a downward trend towards frequency happening further east.

The Gulf of Mexico is warming - this is already scientifically proven, which when mixed with moist air, can create conditions for more tornadoes and extreme weather, especially early on in the season.

So while it's difficult to link tornado frequency as a whole to climate change, the shifting patterns of them may indicate changes in climate elsewhere, either enabling or reducing the severity of extreme weather events.

Haven't seen too much about Alberta (my comment earlier was tongue-in-cheek) but having events in Alberta that happen with varying frequency should not be simply written off as historical trends or "we had that event 30 years ago, #### happens". Hopefully environmental scientists can continue to produce research and evidence for climate change patterns and their impacts.
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Old 07-16-2019, 05:05 PM   #684
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Speaking of improper attributions...this just came into my feed...


https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...-tyo071019.php


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A study published in the international journal Marine Biology, reveals what's really killing coral reefs. With 30 years of unique data from Looe Key Reef in the lower Florida Keys, researchers from Florida Atlantic University's Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute and collaborators have discovered that the problem of coral bleaching is not just due to a warming planet, but also a planet that is simultaneously being enriched with reactive nitrogen from multiple sources.
Improperly treated sewage, fertilizers and top soil are elevating nitrogen levels, which are causing phosphorus starvation in the corals, reducing their temperature threshold for "bleaching." These coral reefs were dying off long before they were impacted by rising water temperatures. This study represents the longest record of reactive nutrients and algae concentrations for coral reefs anywhere in the world.
"Our results provide compelling evidence that nitrogen loading from the Florida Keys and greater Everglades ecosystem caused by humans, rather than warming temperatures, is the primary driver of coral reef degradation at Looe Key Sanctuary Preservation Area during our long-term study," said Brian Lapointe, Ph.D., senior author and a research professor at FAU's Harbor Branch.

I've been suggesting for years that I'd be more likely to believe general pollution was the cause of bleaching vs warming waters. We are a messy species. This makes a tonne more sense. Will be interesting to see if places like Australia find similar causes. It's also a good reminder that assuming everything is due to climate change misses our other pollution, which is often much worse.
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Yeah, Bingo has mentioned it a couple of times. I always figured he was back. In fact, after matching up the abrasive, I know everything and you're an idiot, wall of text posting styles, I'm surprised I didn't notice before hand.
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Did any of these other life forms do global climate change in a 150 years? That's all it took for us.
Not even close, but I get tired of the argument that humans can’t cause it because we are just one life form. The fact we’ve done it so quickly, while still in an ice age, and a solar activity minimum is very concerning indeed.
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Yeah, Bingo has mentioned it a couple of times. I always figured he was back. In fact, after matching up the abrasive, I know everything and you're an idiot, wall of text posting styles, I'm surprised I didn't notice before hand.
Can't believe I've missed that that last few years.

Oh well, the more the merrier.
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Speaking of improper attributions...this just came into my feed...

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...-tyo071019.php

I've been suggesting for years that I'd be more likely to believe general pollution was the cause of bleaching vs warming waters. We are a messy species. This makes a tonne more sense. Will be interesting to see if places like Australia find similar causes. It's also a good reminder that assuming everything is due to climate change misses our other pollution, which is often much worse.
Nice article. Not sure it is a game changer though as similar research has been presented in the past. The bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef has already been attributed to similar variables. This is not a new hypothesis. Dissolved inorganic nutrients (run off) and nutrient changes as a result were identified as a contributing factor back in 1999. Land use and impact of agriculture have also been identified as being contributing factors to bleaching and coral die off. All are factors in the increased acidification of our oceans and putting life at risk. The loss of this life greatly impacts the ability of the oceans to act as a carbon sink and slow the damage we are doing to the planet. You're 100% right, man is messy and we don't appreciate the damage we do that affects the balance of the planet we live on. The problem is so large and complex that it is hard to comprehend for most people as the number of moving parts is hard to track.

I wish I could find them, but when I lived in Florida there were sites that you could go to and see the effects of current and run-off from the coasts and the glades. It was really cool because they could predict the clarity of the water for diving and fishing. I suspect they would support this research as well. Never thought about the connection at the time, but it all kind of makes sense.

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Yeah, Bingo has mentioned it a couple of times. I always figured he was back. In fact, after matching up the abrasive, I know everything and you're an idiot, wall of text posting styles, I'm surprised I didn't notice before hand.
I'm not.

Here's the funny thing. If I think you're an idiot, I'll tell you you're an idiot. If I think you are wrong or poorly informed, I will engage you and debate you. That is an attempt to learn from each other and change perspectives. You consider it presenting a wall of text, I call it articulating a position that is usually complex and takes into consideration many variables. Single sentence replies to complex issues are trite and useless the vast majority of the time. I appreciate this is hard for a generation who communicates through the use of memes to understand, but this is how my generation was taught to discuss issues. Complex issues require in-depth analysis and equally complex solutions. I also tend to only pay attention and post in areas where I do have some experience or expertise. I read a lot of threads, and learn a lot along the way, but try and stay out of threads where they are beyond my element (hello Canadian politics thread!). More people should do the same. I hope that wasn't too abrasive.
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"Single sentence replies to complex issues are trite and useless." Thank you for proving my point and contributing to the dumbing down of our society.

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"Single sentence replies to complex issues are trite and useless." Thank you for proving my point and contributing to the dumbing down of our society.

Sometimes brevity gets the point across, you should try it sometime.

You being a toxic poster isn't a complex issue, it's pretty blatant. Why does that need a long winded post?
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Moving away from scattered flurry of snowflakes and back to current challenges...

June was the hottest ever recorded, and July is expected to be the same.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weath...=.83c21fdb4e6f

"According to data released Monday by NASA, the global average temperature was 1.7 degrees Fahrenheit (0.93 Celsius) above the June norm (based on a 1951-to-1980 baseline), easily breaking the previous June record of 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit (0.82 Celsius), set in 2016, above the average."

So a global 1.5 degree spike in 2016 and then a 1.7 degree spike this year. Not good.
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Request: use real units when describing temps, not fake US units.
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Ugh... also why does every scientific article need to have fahrenheit and miles in brackets behind every metric value. Think of the savings of forcing people to get with metric. Stop pandering to these people who refuse to get on the metric train.
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https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2...rming-stripes/

Some interesting visualizations of annual temperature changes (I believe mean temperatures) across multiple locations around the Earth, including Toronto. Data for each appears to be retrieved from multiple publicly-available data sources from each country's government.
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My bad. You’re used to what you’re used to. All the years of having to adapt back to imperial has obviously worked too well.
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This is how orbiters get accidentally smashed into planets.
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