Yes, in fact, I do. I can't say that we've ever discussed the particulars of the treatment, though. I don't know the extent of the gender-affirming care that person has received.
As for the rest of your post, I think CliffFletcher made some very good points. I'm glad he did, and everything isn't as black and white as you make it out to be.
As for your personal case, what would've been the downside of waiting until you turned 18, with any and/or all treatment?
Yes, in fact, I do. I can't say that we've ever discussed the particulars of the treatment, though. I don't know the extent of the gender-affirming care that person has received.
As for the rest of your post, I think CliffFletcher made some very good points. I'm glad he did, and everything isn't as black and white as you make it out to be.
As for your personal case, what would've been the downside of waiting until you turned 18, with any and/or all treatment?
My personal case? I'm a cisperson. I just know and love a lot of transfolks.
As for your other point, I think we wants kids to live their best lives, and okay in their own skin. Under appropriate medical care/supervision etc. I'd still call 80% of physicians a majority. Each kid is different and the benefits and any associated risk should be weighed and discussed. Carte blance saying you can't do this can and will hurt a lot of kids.
Like how this government ignores harm reduction and that ends up with a lot of drug poisonings.
On a personal note I've generally tried to meet folks where they're at, but being told that folks like me have never existed adn just appeared like Athena out of Zeus head is really upsetting.
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Thats why Flames fans make ideal Star Trek fans. We've really been taught to embrace the self-loathing and extreme criticism.
Back to Kuzmenko, he may have an issue with gays (we don't know). But if he does, that also doesn't mean it's forever. Maybe he's already made big strides from his views on the subject from 10 years ago.
Having a lot of family from Russia, I will say that if this guy is on a journey of acceptance, he may have started from the gold tees, while a lot of us started at the reds. What's important is that people progress, and growing up surrounded by Russian cultural values, that might take quite a bit of time.
My Grandpa was born to Russian parents, and by the time he left this earth he'd fully accepted his bisexual granddaughter, and saw his son-in-law become his daughter-in-law, and still maintained a relationship with her through it all. He was likely way behind Kuzmenko at the same age, but I think there was still a good person in there just finding their way through it all.
Maybe he's a total dink, but I'll assume the best until proven otherwise (thanks Dillon Dube).
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Back to Kuzmenko, he may have an issue with gays (we don't know). But if he does, that also doesn't mean it's forever. Maybe he's already made big strides from his views on the subject from 10 years ago.
Having a lot of family from Russia, I will say that if this guy is on a journey of acceptance, he may have started from the gold tees, while a lot of us started at the reds. What's important is that people progress, and growing up surrounded by Russian cultural values, that might take quite a bit of time.
My Grandpa was born to Russian parents, and by the time he left this earth he'd fully accepted his bisexual granddaughter, and saw his son-in-law become his daughter-in-law, and still maintained a relationship with her through it all. He was likely way behind Kuzmenko at the same age, but I think there was still a good person in there just finding their way through it all.
Maybe he's a total dink, but I'll assume the best until proven otherwise (thanks Dillon Dube).
I'll have to find the actual tweet and not the screenshot a friend sent me last year.
Kuzmenko did sign a fan's Pride jersey after the fact and posed for a photo with the fan.
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Care to elaborate on that thought? I'm just not a fan of insinuations.
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And I dont either
And don't care to
That's the beauty of a free country. We don't have to agree, or even understand each other to be able to coexist.
It's oddly funny because a lot of the people in the trade thread didn't care about the pride jersey topic either, but were sucked into reading that discussion anyway.
Back to Kuzmenko, he may have an issue with gays (we don't know). But if he does, that also doesn't mean it's forever. Maybe he's already made big strides from his views on the subject from 10 years ago.
Having a lot of family from Russia, I will say that if this guy is on a journey of acceptance, he may have started from the gold tees, while a lot of us started at the reds. What's important is that people progress, and growing up surrounded by Russian cultural values, that might take quite a bit of time.
My Grandpa was born to Russian parents, and by the time he left this earth he'd fully accepted his bisexual granddaughter, and saw his son-in-law become his daughter-in-law, and still maintained a relationship with her through it all. He was likely way behind Kuzmenko at the same age, but I think there was still a good person in there just finding their way through it all.
This.
Kuzmenko's situation was a lot different than a lot of other NHLers. This wasn't a guy that has been playing in North America since he was 17 (like Zadorov), he's been in North America for about 18 months now, and would have been in North America for like 6-9 months at the time he refused to wear the jersey.
He's been brought up and raised in a Russian culture where the anti-LGBT viewpoint was the expectation, and the alternative is not only frowned upon but actually illegal.
Now I'm not in his shoes but I could at least understand how somebody in his situation might have different views than somebody brought up with my upbringing.
If we want people to change though we need to be able to understand why they may feel a certain way and what's happening, and try to educate them, not shame them. Especially for a person with that background. It's a lot different than if a guy born and raised in Calgary feels the same way TBH.
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Care to elaborate on that thought? I'm just not a fan of insinuations.
That's the beauty of a free country. We don't have to agree, or even understand each other to be able to coexist.
It's oddly funny because a lot of the people in the trade thread didn't care about the pride jersey topic either, but were sucked into reading that discussion anyway.
It’s oddly funny because people did the bold, abrasive, and extremely controversial thing known as “bringing it up” and people immediately felt the need to tell them to shut up, call them losers, and tell them off a half of a dozen other ways.
That’s not coexisting and it’s not actually funny.
I don’t know what ucb is insinuating, but I know enough people who claim to support “everyone” “equally” and all the things that are easy to say, but when it comes to their actual nuanced opinions and their actions, they’re at best harmfully ignorant and at worst bigots who don’t even have the guts to come out with it. Which are you?
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Whaaa! People are giving me a tough time for hating gay people!!!!!
The only reason to oppose welcoming all people to enjoy hockey is some weird personal hangup or superstitious, backwards, religious horse#### that you only believe because you were indoctrinated.
Just admit you hate this particular group of people, enough of the excuses.
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Whaaa! People are giving me a tough time for hating gay people!!!!!
The only reason to oppose welcoming all people to enjoy hockey is some weird personal hangup or superstitious, backwards, religious horse#### that you only believe because you were indoctrinated.
Just admit you hate this particular group of people, enough of the excuses.
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That's the beauty of a free country! I can be an abrasive a-hole.
Wasn't "its a free country" the common phrase people were throwing out 30 years ago?
Times have changed. Society has changed. For better or worse, it's not what it used to be. Get with the program bro.
If your line of thinking is multiple decades behind, you're probably going to look like the bigger clown here for trying to justify your arguments with outdated logic. What cave have you been hunching in to not get the jist of how things have changed societally and failed to acclimatize or adapt even a little bit?
I'm afraid we can't just go back to your dad's days of rampant prejudice and bigotry just cause you and your similarly aged and similarly poorly adjusted buddies in their 40s or 50s have had enough and wanna shout it from the rooftops of an anonymous forum.
The Theos out there who've popped their heads up in this thread and the other one need to get a clue about how the world works today and figure it out.
