11-30-2021, 03:32 PM
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#81
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Ontario
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Flames with a shortage of young NHL ready dmen, and an abundance of LH left-wings, yet some of you are suggesting we trade Valimaki for DeBrusk. Huh??
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11-30-2021, 03:36 PM
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#82
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Calgary
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I am not opposed to trading Monahan for another good player, if it makes the team better. I just don't understand this animosity towards Monahan. He is a finisher, who is struggling with confidence after a complicated surgery. He is accepting his role and demotion with the right attitude and without bitterness. Give him some time.
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11-30-2021, 03:42 PM
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#83
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flames Town
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainYooh
I am not opposed to trading Monahan for another good player, if it makes the team better. I just don't understand this animosity towards Monahan. He is a finisher, who is struggling with confidence after a complicated surgery. He is accepting his role and demotion with the right attitude and without bitterness. Give him some time.
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The problem is he has been struggling with confidence for almost 3 seasons now. At some point, the player just doesn't have it anymore. It's unfortunate but these numbers are very similar to how other guys have dropped off in the past. His pace is basically dropping off by 10 points every season for the past few seasons.
2018-19: 86 point pace over 82 games
2019-20: 56 point pace over 82 games
2020-21: 46 point pace over 82 games
2021-22: 37 point pace over 82 games
At $6.3 MM - there needs to be more offensive production. I am okay with finding the right deal but don't necessarily agree he will bounce back to a top line player (or even top 6).
Last edited by keenan87; 11-30-2021 at 03:46 PM.
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11-30-2021, 03:44 PM
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#84
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Lifetime Suspension
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Yeah, not in a rush to get Monahan out the door for the first guy available.
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11-30-2021, 03:55 PM
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#85
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: stuck in BC watching the nucks
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Out of thanks, but completely agree. Well said, thank you.
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11-30-2021, 03:57 PM
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#86
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: stuck in BC watching the nucks
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Quote:
Originally Posted by keenan87
The problem is he has been struggling with confidence for almost 3 seasons now. At some point, the player just doesn't have it anymore. It's unfortunate but these numbers are very similar to how other guys have dropped off in the past. His pace is basically dropping off by 10 points every season for the past few seasons.
2018-19: 86 point pace over 82 games
2019-20: 56 point pace over 82 games
2020-21: 46 point pace over 82 games
2021-22: 37 point pace over 82 games
At $6.3 MM - there needs to be more offensive production. I am okay with finding the right deal but don't necessarily agree he will bounce back to a top line player (or even top 6).
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He has been and was injured with off-season surgery all of these years though, so I think we still need to give a bit more time. It is a 'time is running out soon' scenario though.
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11-30-2021, 04:12 PM
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#87
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Franchise Player
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I would do Monahan and Pitlick for Debrusk and Studnicka (who can play RW, is NHL ready, and is one of the Bruins better prospects at around Ruzicka+ level). That is miles more fair than the Monahan Must Go talk.
Third line Debrusk - Dube - Studnicka.
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11-30-2021, 04:15 PM
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#88
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by Harry Lime
I would do Monahan and Pitlick for Debrusk and Studnicka (who can play RW, is NHL ready, and is one of the Bruins better prospects at around Ruzicka+ level). That is miles more fair than the Monahan Must Go talk.
Third line Debrusk - Dube - Studnicka.
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Monahan and Pitlick for DeBrusk and another Ruzicka? And then put that "another Ruzicka" on the 3rd line, when the original Ruzicka can't even make NHL as a 13th F?
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11-30-2021, 04:21 PM
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#89
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Lime
I would do Monahan and Pitlick for Debrusk and Studnicka (who can play RW, is NHL ready, and is one of the Bruins better prospects at around Ruzicka+ level). That is miles more fair than the Monahan Must Go talk.
Third line Debrusk - Dube - Studnicka.
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that is a downgrade from the 3rd line that we currently have
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11-30-2021, 05:19 PM
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#90
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FanIn80
Monahan and Pitlick for DeBrusk and another Ruzicka? And then put that "another Ruzicka" on the 3rd line, when the original Ruzicka can't even make NHL as a 13th F?
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Maybe I downplayed Studnicka a little, although I did add a "+" to Ruzicka.
Studnicka is Hockey Baby Jesus and plays with one hand tied behind his back, wearing a patch over one eye, in order to make it easier on the rest of the league. I'd say he's a little lesser prospect than Pelletier, and is a RH RW/C.
Dube is much more effective at centre, and Studnicka is an upgrade on Pitlick. I think that the drop from Monahan to Debrusk makes the overall trade a wash in terms of on-ice ability. If there is a benefit, it would be in the members of that line getting better year over year.
This is a change of scenery trade proposal for all four players. A four-fecta.
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11-30-2021, 05:23 PM
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#91
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Dreger says more than 12 teams have checked in on DeBrusk.
Teams he named as having interest:
New York Rangers
Vancouver
maybe Montreal
maybe Calgary
certainly Arizona
and in the past when DeBrusk's name has come up in trade rumors, St. Louis has been at the top of the list
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11-30-2021, 05:23 PM
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#92
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damn onions
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I wonder if Kypreos actually heard the Flames are “in on it” or he just assumed so since every player who’s been “available” the Flames have “been in on”, and yet nothing has happened for about 10-15 (likely more) of these players now.
We get it, Brad makes calls, loves to kick tires. He won’t pull the trigger on this.
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11-30-2021, 05:24 PM
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#93
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: victoria
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Someone's going to over pay
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11-30-2021, 05:38 PM
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#94
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: I'm right behind you
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Anyone else imagine Kevin Lowe bursting into Ken Hollands office, all out of breath, saying "Louie says [breath] that [breath] Jake [breath]... Jake has what it takes to play Left Wing with Draisaital" while Ken Holland looks at whoever else is in his office with him with disbelief? It's the first thing that popped in my head when I saw the thread.
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11-30-2021, 05:51 PM
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#95
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Scoring Winger
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Woooo the interested champs!
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11-30-2021, 05:55 PM
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#96
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Flames have a straight logjam at LW. DeBrusk isnt a fit unless the know who signs or who goes at the end of the season already.
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11-30-2021, 05:56 PM
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#97
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois
Everyone will take a low risk on him
Kinda like Bennett, question is what’s the max someone will risk?
I don’t see a 1st. Either a similar risk swap or a 2nd and a throw in.
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Heineman and a second
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11-30-2021, 06:16 PM
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#98
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First Line Centre
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Since when do we care when a bottom 6 player on some random team asks for a trade? Hope we dont trade any serious asset for him. Maybe a 4th rounder.
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11-30-2021, 07:14 PM
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#99
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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This deal isn’t happening. While I would love to see him on the 3rd line with Monahan and Dube. Who is getting traded then. Valamaki should be in the minors. Pitlick is a perfect rotational 4th liner. We don’t have the cap space nor is he worth much at this point. If he was a right shot RW. Than maybe there is some real interest.
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11-30-2021, 07:27 PM
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#100
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Self Imposed Retirement
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Calgary
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They were talking on the Fan this afternoon about a second round pick and a prospect for DeBrusk. The Flames may have cap issues though with 3 of their top players needing new contracts. Not sure how that would all work out though.
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