Bill Maher and Rubecube might actually agree on something; even as bad as the Republicans have been, Democrats have failed their constituents too and that needs to stop.
I’m suspicious Bill Maher is secretly a trump supporter. I find no other explanation for his hideous mullet. Dude, get a haircut.
Tweet is deleted now. Anyone have a screenshot or could recap?
It was a fake screenshot claiming to be a CNN correction notice that said they had misreported that Ted Cruz had been photographed wearing a "Q" pin, but it was actually a piece of a Dorito that was stuck to his jacket.
The joke was riffing on the real misreporting that one of the members of Congress had grabbed a "crowbar" when he evacuated his office during the riot but it turned out he had actually grabbed a "Pro Bar" energy bar.
People who didn't get the joke were sharing the image as if it was an actual CNN Breaking News notice. CNN even had to put out a statement that it wasn't real. The person who tweeted the image deleted the tweet to stop its spread.
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The numbers for Medicare for All are mind boggling. Remember when we tried to figure out if you could get there by taxing the rich?
The problem is that the U.S. health care system is hopelessly inefficient.
The U.S. spends more on health care than any other country. About twice as much per person compared to Canada, and half of that health care spending is by the government though existing programs.
The U.S. government (all levels of government combined) already spends more on health care per capita than the Canadian government spends per capita.
The money is there, the problem is that the U.S. is drifting closer to being an oligarchic kleptocracy and further away from being the capitalistic democracy that they assume they are.
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^The inefficiency comes from it being a public program in a private/for profit system. They have some amount of leverage over pricing, but it still is always subject to being an inflated price point due to it being integrated within a private system.
That's why medicare for all won't work. You need to make it a single payer system or the price will always stay too high for a government program to be feasible.
Now, for all that extra cost, there is a somewhat higher benefit for those who can afford that level of care: i.e. Donald Trump didn't die from COVID when by all rights he should have.
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President-elect Joe Biden plans to sign roughly a dozen executive orders, including rejoining the Paris climate accord and ending the travel ban on predominantly Muslim countries, on his first day in office, according to a memo from incoming chief of staff Ron Klain.
He'll also sign orders halting evictions and student loan payments during the coronavirus pandemic and issuing a mask mandate on all federal property in an effort to either roll back moves made by the Trump administration or advance policy in a way that was impossible in the current administration.
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Beyond executive actions in his first days in office, the memo outlines that Biden plans to send Congress a large-scale immigration plan within his first 100 days in office. The plan would offer a pathway to citizenship for the millions of undocumented immigrations currently in the United States.
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During that week-long period, Biden will also order the federal government to determine how to reunite children separated from their families at the US-Mexico border, as well sign additional orders aimed at tackling climate change and expanding access to health care.
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"Taking over the presidency from Donald Trump is like taking over the lease from a frat house: The cleanup task list is staggering," Leopold said. "The task for Biden is two-fold: first, clean up Trump's damage, then take action on the bold climate plan that science demands. Biden ran on the strongest climate plan in American history, and he has a clear mandate to enact it immediately by executive and legislative action."
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You're right, Medicare/Medicaid working partially inside the private system is inefficient. But that's not the real inefficiency.
Americans spend twice as much on healthcare and get worse results than any other country in the OECD. That's not Medicare's and Medicaid's fault, they're probably the most efficient part of the U.S. Health care system.
And those programs look after the elderly and low income Americans... you know, the expensive health care clients. Medicare/Medicaid clients are more likely to be low income Americans living in food deserts than kale eating yoga enthusiasts. Or seniors with chronic conditions that went unmanaged for decades due to the high cost of private health care.
The private health care system is great for the 1%, but system wide it is horribly inefficient.
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^The inefficiency comes from it being a public program in a private/for profit system. They have some amount of leverage over pricing, but it still is always subject to being an inflated price point due to it being integrated within a private system.
That's why medicare for all won't work. You need to make it a single payer system or the price will always stay too high for a government program to be feasible.
Now, for all that extra cost, there is a somewhat higher benefit for those who can afford that level of care: i.e. Donald Trump didn't die from COVID when by all rights he should have.
Additionally, health care is a significant percentage of the economy. Simply jumping to a single payer system isn’t as easy or simple as it appears. Obama recognized that there would be unintended consequences. This is why he referred to the affordable care act as a “starter home.” It’s not the system the public wants, but it’s a path towards their goal.
We’re getting to the point where we need a Twitter style warning on some of these posts of tweets. I’m getting tired of fake news being posted with no effort to verify.
It’s bad enough we allow unsourced tweet postings from unverified sources.
We’re getting to the point where we need a Twitter style warning on some of these posts of tweets. I’m getting tired of fake news being posted with no effort to verify.
It’s bad enough we allow unsourced tweet postings from unverified sources.
Verification is on you, the consumer of media. We know Twitter is full of ####, so verify everything and don't take things as fact until you've been able to validate the facts behind a statement. That is part and parcel with media literacy. Always verify your sources, especially one that don't pass the smell test.
Verification is on you, the consumer of media. We know Twitter is full of ####, so verify everything and don't take things as fact until you've been able to validate the facts behind a statement. That is part and parcel with media literacy. Always verify your sources, especially one that don't pass the smell test.
Yes, that's the second line of defence. It sounds like Cecil is asking people to take a second and check their source before posting as a first line. It's a reasonable request.
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Yes, that's the second line of defence. It sounds like Cecil is asking people to take a second and check their source before posting as a first line. It's a reasonable request.
That's how I take it as well. Before sharing something, do the bare goddamned minimum to verify that what you're sharing isn't completely bogus.
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That's how I take it as well. Before sharing something, do the bare goddamned minimum to verify that what you're sharing isn't completely bogus.
And unless its reposting a joke, all tweets posted should be from a verified and trusted journalist and the like. Way too many posts of tweets from randoms with no way to verify authenticity of the info.
Damn right lock this thread down. You useless posters better get your act together before we continue to impotently complain about it. I expect verified sources, I expect you to be able to show your work, and you know what why don’t you do a damn bibliography for each tweet too.
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Additionally, health care is a significant percentage of the economy. Simply jumping to a single payer system isn’t as easy or simple as it appears. Obama recognized that there would be unintended consequences. This is why he referred to the affordable care act as a “starter home.” It’s not the system the public wants, but it’s a path towards their goal.
But how exactly does America get to that goal without suffering those unintended consequences? It would appear that the unintended consequences are inevitable if the US wants to move to single payer, whether they do it now or sometime in the distant future. So it seems like they should do it as soon as the country returns to something close to pre-pandemic normalcy, and get the pain over with, rather than dragging the process out over many decades. The flaws of the current system are apparent and people are suffering. As another poster pointed out, having your health coverage tied to your job is a rather absurd approach if your goal is to ensure that every person has the health coverage they need.
But how exactly does America get to that goal without suffering those unintended consequences? It would appear that the unintended consequences are inevitable if the US wants to move to single payer, whether they do it now or sometime in the distant future. So it seems like they should do it as soon as the country returns to something close to pre-pandemic normalcy, and get the pain over with, rather than dragging the process out over many decades. The flaws of the current system are apparent and people are suffering. As another poster pointed out, having your health coverage tied to your job is a rather absurd approach if your goal is to ensure that every person has the health coverage they need.
Except that's not the goal of half the country. You know, the you have to earn everything crowd, free anything breeds lazyness.
And you know the polarization of the country means nothing is 'unintended'. Ads will go up immediately, they INTEND to raise your taxes to give away healthcare. Next they'll give away your freedom!!! Slippery slope.
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