de Grood to be transferred to hospital for assessment

[Hi-Psi]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I mean this is a dumb take. You either believe that people can suffer mental breaks and be found NCR for their actions or you don't. The severity of the actions has nothing to do with the validity of the diagnosis.

What's dumb exactly?

If a person goes off the deep end and kills 5 people, that should be on that person's criminal record for the rest of their life. Sure, it can say that he wasn't "criminally responsible" but it should still say that it happened and be on his record, forever.

De Grood however, believes he should get a conditional discharge due to the NCR ruling. A conditional discharge would mean that De Grood would have no criminal record and could essentially be free to walk the streets again as if nothing had happened. That, to me, is absurd. The public, rightfully so, seems to agree with that sentiment.

And yes, the severity of the act does matter in a case like this. It'd be one thing if he attacked 5 people with his fists during the "mental break" but he didn't do that. Instead, he grabbed a knife and started killing people, including chasing after them while they ran away...

Severity always matters, especially in a case of NCR.

Then there's the fact that De Grood is a psychology major, with a minor in law and a father that's a prominent member of the Calgary Police force. That could mean absolutely nothing or it could mean everything.

Are you willing to invite Matt De Grood into your home, to live with you and your family? He was found NCR after all...

[Acey]

The severity of the crime clearly matters in the sense that, had the initial cime not been so heinous, it seems far less likely to a rational person that his doctors would give the assessment of "any future violence is significantly likely to be of high severity."

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Hi-Psi

What's dumb exactly?

If a person goes off the deep end and kills 5 people, that should be on that person's criminal record for the rest of their life. Sure, it can say that he wasn't "criminally responsible" but it should still say that it happened and be on his record, forever.

De Grood however, believes he should get a conditional discharge due to the NCR ruling. A conditional discharge would mean that De Grood would have no criminal record and could essentially be free to walk the streets again as if nothing had happened. That, to me, is absurd. The public, rightfully so, seems to agree with that sentiment.

And yes, the severity of the act does matter in a case like this. It'd be one thing if he attacked 5 people with his fists during the "mental break" but he didn't do that. Instead, he grabbed a knife and started killing people, including chasing after them while they ran away...

Severity always matters, especially in a case of NCR.

Then there's the fact that De Grood is a psychology major, with a minor in law and a father that's a prominent member of the Calgary Police force. That could mean absolutely nothing or it could mean everything.

Are you willing to invite Matt De Grood into your home, to live with you and your family? He was found NCR after all...

In fairness, you’ve done a much better job of actually explaining your thoughts in attempt #2 here. Though, willing to invite a person into your home certainly shouldn’t be the basis behind a ruling like this. If someone said no, it doesn’t mean anything.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

In fairness, you’ve done a much better job of actually explaining your thoughts in attempt #2 here. Though, willing to invite a person into your home certainly shouldn’t be the basis behind a ruling like this. If someone said no, it doesn’t mean anything.

Yeah, I mean the number of people I'm willing to invite into my home is very low...that's an unreasonable bar to clear. Or maybe the other 7.99999999B people in this world who don't meet my personal threshold belong behind bars?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Hi-Psi

Are you willing to invite Matt De Grood into your home, to live with you and your family? He was found NCR after all...

Uhhh...I have no kids and live in a studio apartment. One of the main reasons I live in a studio apartment is so I don't have to have a roommate and this way my family can't stay with me when they come to visit. Not sure I'm the barometer you want to use here.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Uhhh...I have no kids and live in a studio apartment. One of the main reasons I live in a studio apartment is so I don't have to have a roommate and this way my family can't stay with me when they come to visit. Not sure I'm the barometer you want to use here.

you don't have kids and don't participate in moral panic your argument is invalid, I guess. Why have a nuanced discussion of the justice system and mental etc when you can do that instead.

[Acey]

This seems to be a highly important statement from the assessment:

"Further, it appears that even when he is medicated he can decompensate. The deterioration of his mental health can be subtle and masked by other factors, and may not be obvious to the treatment team or appreciated by the appellant himself."

Given that statement, and the one about potential violence being of high severity, surely the only reasonable position is that he is not ready for release?

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by rubecube

...live in a studio apartment. One of the main reasons I live in a studio apartment is so I don't have to have a roommate and this way my family can't stay with me when they come to visit.

Oh, I like this. Brilliant.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Uhhh...I have no kids and live in a studio apartment. One of the main reasons I live in a studio apartment is so I don't have to have a roommate and this way my family can't stay with me when they come to visit. Not sure I'm the barometer you want to use here.

Good call, maybe this is what I should've done. Similar mentality but did a 1 bedroom thinking that was sufficient, but that isn't stopping my mom from thinking she can spend a full week at my place instead of my sister's suburban 3 bedroom, 3 level house simply because "you're in such a fun spot! "...

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Good call, maybe this is what I should've done. Similar mentality but did a 1 bedroom thinking that was sufficient, but that isn't stopping my mom from thinking she can spend a full week at my place instead of my sister's suburban 3 bedroom, 3 level house simply because "you're in such a fun spot! "...

Mom's are the absolute worst!