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Old 01-22-2019, 09:23 AM   #1641
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All that money 15-19 year olds pump into our economy, lost.

Thanks NDP!
I think you would be surprised at just how much value 15-19 year olds actually have on the economy in helping small business run.

In most cases, a 15-19 year old does not need to make the same as an adult.
They could have rolled something out where adults saw the hike in minimum wage but a kid in high school should be able to be hired for $10 an hour and perks such as free golf if they work at a golf course, etc.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:25 AM   #1642
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Came to post the same slide. The numbers don't lie.

Anyone who believes the NDP are doing a good job is living in a fantasy world.
Nope they don't. I'm glad that chart is recording numbers from Q2 2015 when the NDP took over... oh wait.. it's just showing from 2014 when the oil downturn hit.

Interprovincial migration is rising again, a positive number in 2018. GDP is higher now than when the NDP took over, $326B in Jan 2015 compared to $327 in Jan 2017 with another 1.5-2% growth expected for 2018.

Exports have risen from $7.5B in May 2015 to over $11B in May 2018.

Yes the participation rate is down but that's what happens when an entire industry is decimated by external factors. External investment is down, but we can't export what we produce now, why would anyone invest to produce more?

Numbers don't lie, but they can sure be turned to skew to a certain perspective if you don't look closely enough at them.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:26 AM   #1643
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No it shows that poorly run businesses can't underpay youth to half-ass their storefront instead of employing adults that won't work for $8 an hour.
NDP logic 101: Better to be unemployed than 'underpaid'!

It's clear the drastic increase in the minimum wage has hurt part-time and youth workers the hardest.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:29 AM   #1644
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We should all thank our benevolent job-creating overlords for their meager offerings.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:32 AM   #1645
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Theres some first-rate 'whataboutism' from the usual suspects.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:37 AM   #1646
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I still maintain that any business that keeps itself profitable by hinging on cheap labor is not well run.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:41 AM   #1647
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I would say both sides are guilty of whataboutism, consistently and thoroughly. Both Notley and Kenney do it on the daily too. We can expect more of that indefinitely in the future.

What is more problematic in my opinion is showing statistics - for any scenario - that doesn't include accommodating the punishing market correction on this province in the last five years, as well as the general national average as well.

It's hard to digest any statistics about this province without it's relation to these two factors. Just what I think though.
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The lack of a pipeline costs us tens of millions a day. We had to curtail our industry to respond to the crisis. There's been no growth projects, no multi-year multi-billion dollar projects that employ thousands of people that would all make $100,000 or more. Because of this, housing and commercial property values have dropped to the tune of billions of dollars.

And the best you can come up with is that the employment rate of age 15-19 has dropped by about 4-5% in the NDP years.

If we're looking at the nickels and dimes, I can easily point to any single thing that the NDP has done that counteracts this 4-5% youth employment drop. For example, the NDP relaxed rules around microbreweries, and there's been an explosion of new microbreweries with their (higher than minimum wage) jobs, investment and production.
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I still maintain that any business that keeps itself profitable by hinging on cheap labor is not well run.
And I still maintain that you still have no idea what you're talking about.

If a person has no skills or anything to offer other than their time and labour and then you make that too expensive for the market conditions...

Yeah...market conditions, you know, that thing that businesses have to operate within....sorry I'm getting too technical again.

Remember that thing that you use to defend all of the NDPs failings?

"The NDP didnt suck, nobody could have done better, how would *insert whataboutism* have done better...."

Yeah, those.

If you price the only thing some people have to offer out of the available market you are not helping those people.

But hey, thats just one among many in a lengthy checklist of NDP idiocy. I'm sure the Rhino Party or the Canadian Communists couldnt have done any better.

What about 'could they have done worse?'
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According to the House of Commons guide on member allowances, Kenney was acting in accordance with policy on this:



Obviously as a cabinet minister at that time, Kenney would have been spending most of his time in Ottawa or on the road, but members are required to maintain either a primary or secondary residence in or near their constituency:



And, according to the criteria specified, Kenney's Alberta residence would be categorized as primary per the following:
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The handbook for MPs expenses and allowances has quite a loose definition of what qualifies as a primary residence. Briefly reading through it, I really don't see how Kenney has broken any rules here. You might not like it, but they way things are written its pretty clear he's allowed the ~$10k in secondary residence expenses.

If I was Morrow I would tread carefully, he's getting into defamation and libel territory.

Here's a good article from Global, has a link to the MP Handbook...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globaln...a-calgary/amp/
If you guys want to justify Kenney’s actions by arguing that he technically didn’t do anything against the rules have at it. For me though, a middle aged man claiming a basement in a seniors retirement complex(which he may not have been allowed to reside in in the first place) as his primary residence so that he could get tax payer funded allowances for his “secondary” residence in Ottawa seems like a clear abuse of the system. The fact that Kenney has made a career out of being critical of wasteful government spending just adds a little irony into the mix.

But let’s forget about the taxpayers for a moment and focus on the real vitcims of Kenney’s shenanigans, the pizza delivery guys:

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If you guys want to justify Kenney’s actions by arguing that he technically didn’t do anything against the rules have at it. For me though, a middle aged man claiming a basement in a seniors retirement complex(which he may not have been allowed to reside in in the first place) as his primary residence so that he could get tax payer funded allowances for his “secondary” residence in Ottawa seems like a clear abuse of the system. The fact that Kenney has made a career out of being critical of wasteful government spending just adds a little irony into the mix.

But let’s forget about the taxpayers for a moment and focus on the real vitcims of Kenney’s shenanigans, the pizza delivery guys:

Not only that, but to have his rent almost match exactly what is allowed to be expensed is highly fishy. And the convenience of it going to a family member - so eventually he will receive it back as tax-free inheritence.



What else is weird is didn't he buy this property? And he was paying rent? The optics of this arrangement don't look good for him.
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Old 01-22-2019, 11:25 AM   #1652
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Then again, not taking responsibility is pretty much the Albertan M.O.
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Honestly, I get the joke, but its dated and inaccurate.

Really the old joke about the 'Alberta Prayer' about getting another boom and promising not to waste it? It came true.

Its not the people in their late 50s and 60s sweating this one out, its the current workforce.

The people that dont have their educations paid off, their houses paid for, that have young kids and young families or businesses and responsibilities.
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Its not the people in their late 50s and 60s sweating this one out, its the current workforce.
Really? Who do you think is complaining most about the taxes? It's certainly not people in my age bracket (late 30s, early 40s).
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Really? Who do you think is complaining most about the taxes? It's certainly not people in my age bracket (late 30s, early 40s).
*Shrug*

I have many friends in this age bracket and they all hate the NDP.

Sarcasm?
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117 active foreclosure listings in Calgary right now with 190 foreclosure sales dating back 6 months or 29 in the last 30 days.

There is pretty much a new foreclosure hitting the market each day in Calgary / Area.
How does that compare to the historical average, recent downturns, and in particular the real bad one back in the 80's?
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Alberta natural gas producers looking at their own curtailment


https://calgaryherald.com/business/e...t-work-for-gas
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If you guys want to justify Kenney’s actions by arguing that he technically didn’t do anything against the rules have at it. For me though, a middle aged man claiming a basement in a seniors retirement complex(which he may not have been allowed to reside in in the first place) as his primary residence so that he could get tax payer funded allowances for his “secondary” residence in Ottawa seems like a clear abuse of the system. The fact that Kenney has made a career out of being critical of wasteful government spending just adds a little irony into the mix.
What would you have preferred that he do in instead?
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I don't understand why politicians keep getting caught in this stuff. If you are at all unsure, take it to the ethics commissioner or whatever, tell them what your plan is, and get it cleared. Then if it comes up in public, you have it in writing that it was approved. And if it isn't fine, don't do it. You get paid enough anyway.


Why is this always so hard for politicians? Clearly this looks like an arrangement that may be in the grey zone. Why risk it? Bonkers.
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What would you have preferred that he do in instead?

Would have expected him not to game the system for personal financial gain.



Does it not seem suspicious at all that the rent he was paying his mother was nearly the amount he could get reimbursed?
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