[News Roundup] CSEC/City arena deal UPDATED: Third Party Facilitator

[timun]

Totally unsubstantiated rumour I heard from a colleague at one of the electrical engineering firms in town (although not the one working on it): material costs and supply chain delays are so significant right now that the estimated completion date and costs from last summer (2024, and $630ishM) are more likely to be a year late and over four hundred million dollars more.

No surprise that CSEC wanted to walk away, 'cause it's not a matter of $9.7M like the mayor said it was... Honestly it's a dumb lack of forethought on their part, agreeing to take on the additional costs.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Wormius

There are some columnists who are so over the top in their bias that you can help but feel trolled by the audacity and zeal they emanate. Articles by Corbella, Bell, Conrad Black, Don Braid all have that quality.

I don’t know if there are any facts in the Corbella article, and as commented earlier she’s already lied outright so what else is a lie? Now the burden is on me to fact check?

I’d be curious to hear about some over-the-top shill articles that try to puff up the City’s position in a similar vain.

What exactly did she lie about?

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by timun

Totally unsubstantiated rumour I heard from a colleague at one of the electrical engineering firms in town (although not the one working on it): material costs and supply chain delays are so significant right now that the estimated completion date and costs from last summer (2024, and $630ishM) are more likely to be a year late and over four hundred million dollars more.

No surprise that CSEC wanted to walk away, 'cause it's not a matter of $9.7M like the mayor said it was... Honestly it's a dumb lack of forethought on their part, agreeing to take on the additional costs.

When this first came up, this is what I said the exact reason is. CSEC needed an out because of cost overruns they would be on the hook for.

[timun]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

What exactly did she lie about?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1482031287141421058

https://twitter.com/user/status/1482044733169946625

https://twitter.com/user/status/1482111085729570820

https://twitter.com/user/status/1482112219697463300

https://twitter.com/user/status/1482112551995408384

https://twitter.com/user/status/1482114261417553921

https://twitter.com/user/status/1482114930111234048

https://twitter.com/user/status/1482119702348324867

https://twitter.com/user/status/1482127808579047425

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

What exactly did she lie about?

That there was a vote to exclude Gondek from negotiations, for one.

[Ducay]

Bless up. Now can we strip her of any other powers? Are we still in the return policy window for her?

[Manhattanboy]

Nm

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That there was a vote to exclude Gondek from negotiations, for one.

There was not. This is a discredited story from Licia Corbella.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Wormius

There are some columnists who are so over the top in their bias that you can help but feel trolled by the audacity and zeal they emanate. Articles by Corbella, Bell, Conrad Black, Don Braid all have that quality.

I don’t know if there are any facts in the Corbella article, and as commented earlier she’s already lied outright so what else is a lie? Now the burden is on me to fact check?

I’d be curious to hear about some over-the-top shill articles that try to puff up the City’s position in a similar vain.

Check the CBC

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Check the CBC

Checked, couldn't find any such articles. You'll have to help people out.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Checked, couldn't find any such articles. You'll have to help people out.

It’s as easy as finding out details as to their salaries.

[Roughneck]

What the #### are you talking about?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Check the CBC

I couldn’t find any like that, but a search of “CBC arena deal” this was one of the first recent pieces. You’ll note that it’s a well-balanced article that doesn’t read as if it was authored by a paid shill.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ntre-1.6295378

Honestly, the swipes at CBC are so trite and pathetic that whenever anybody pulls that I just have to assume they’ve never read anything and are just regurgitating something they saw on Larry Heather’s Facebook page.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

What the #### are you talking about?

Why so angry? Was making a joke about the CBC.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Bunk's post literally said "the city asked"

How is that not the city wanting to change the deal?

I even said the Flames took the ask as winning the lottery because they could take the city's commitment and take control.

Bottom line you have two sides that didn't like where costs were going.

Don't think I'm stretching any truths in that assumption.

Just to be clear - there is no pre-approved design with a pre-approved set of features in a "deal" and then anything else that's asked about in a normal approval process is "changing a deal". The deal is structured around attributing costs of a fully approved building. Energy features are really no different than the City commenting or requirements that might relate to urban design, height, massing architecture, landscape, material, access points, parking, etc. It's rooted in Council policy.

With respect to the sidewalks, the most charitable interpretation of the situation may be that there was genuine confusion in the handover from CMLC to CSEC's development manager about responsibility over certain costs in the public ROW. As has been mentioned, in the spirit of the deal, the City stepped into costs outside the curb line in the ROW, but felt sidewalks were well within the scope of the building project - not district at large.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Why so angry? Was making a joke about the CBC.

Is the joke that it's really easy to find those articles or really hard?


Hilarious either way, I guess.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

There was not. This is a discredited story from Licia Corbella.

Right - I’m saying that’s what Corbella lied about (in response to that very question).

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I couldn’t find any like that, but a search of “CBC arena deal” this was one of the first recent pieces. You’ll note that it’s a well-balanced article that doesn’t read as if it was authored by a paid shill.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ntre-1.6295378

Honestly, the swipes at CBC are so trite and pathetic that whenever anybody pulls that I just have to assume they’ve never read anything and are just regurgitating something they saw on Larry Heather’s Facebook page.

CBC unbiased and well balanced.

Huh. Who’d have thought?? Hell must have frozen over.

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Just to be clear - there is no pre-approved design with a pre-approved set of features in a "deal" and then anything else that's asked about in a normal approval process is "changing a deal". The deal is structured around attributing costs of a fully approved building. Energy features are really no different than the City commenting or requirements that might relate to urban design, height, massing architecture, landscape, material, access points, parking, etc. It's rooted in Council policy.

With respect to the sidewalks, the most charitable interpretation of the situation may be that there was genuine confusion in the handover from CMLC to CSEC's development manager about responsibility over certain costs in the public ROW. As has been mentioned, in the spirit of the deal, the City stepped into costs outside the curb line in the ROW, but felt sidewalks were well within the scope of the building project - not district at large.

"Reading in" every bit of transportation (road) infrastructure was definitely more generous than they needed to be within the spirit of the deal. The transportation plan had them on the hook for capital upgrades, not for repairing roads wrecked up by the construction process.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Goriders

CBC unbiased and well balanced.

Huh. Who’d have thought?? Hell must have frozen over.

Well you live in Saskatchewan so frozen hell is just a typical November to April super winter!