12-30-2021, 08:38 PM
|
#4441
|
First Line Centre
Join Date: May 2012
Location: The Kilt & Caber
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by redforever
You must be on the same street as me? in Killarney? my neighbor across the street has that problem. I phoned 311. Their next door neighbor said they were calling the contractor as that house was just recently completely refinished and new owner moved in less than a month ago. Contractor might know phone number for owner.
|
I'm in the south, my guess is it's a city wide issue at the moment! What did 311 say? Is there anything they can do?
|
|
|
12-30-2021, 09:09 PM
|
#4442
|
Franchise Player
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp
duct tape a lit propane torch or heat gun to a drone and melt the ice?
|
How to burn your house down in 3 easy steps!
|
|
|
01-01-2022, 09:21 AM
|
#4443
|
Franchise Player
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyah
I'm in the south, my guess is it's a city wide issue at the moment! What did 311 say? Is there anything they can do?
|
They said they would respond within an hour and an Enmax truck showed up within that time frame. What they did, I don't know.
|
|
|
01-01-2022, 07:21 PM
|
#4444
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by cSpooge
anyone have an recommendations for clearing out a frozen exhaust vent for a tankless hot water system with the kicker being it's vented out the roof?
|
Did you get this figured out?
__________________
It's only game. Why you heff to be mad?
|
|
|
01-03-2022, 12:10 PM
|
#4445
|
Scoring Winger
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: The Corral
|
The Home Improvement Thread
I’m wonder if anyone has any suggestions on preventing ice build up in my exhaust vent for my hot water tank (exterior of house)
As you can see in the photos the ice builds up on the bottom of the pvc cone which then causes my hot water tank to stop working. I have removed the cone/elbow and left is as seen in the picture during the cold snaps and it works fine but not sure if I am doing any harm leaving this cone off. Taking it off and thawing the ice works but it just ices back up again over night.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
__________________
"They canned a head coach, the GM is on the firing line, they're 12th in the West and just lost at home to the last place team in the NHL.
And (I am not making this up) statistically this is the Edmonton Oilers fourth best season in the last 13 years." via Rob Tychkowski's Twitter 1-23-2019
Last edited by Fleury’sOTGoalCelebration; 01-03-2022 at 12:12 PM.
|
|
|
01-03-2022, 12:44 PM
|
#4446
|
First Line Centre
|
I'm surprised that little bit of ice is causing enough restriction to shut off the heater. Maybe drill a couple holes where its collecting so the melt can drain but in extreme cold that might not work for long.
I wouldn't run it without the cap as the exhaust can be drawn straight back into the intake, but in a pinch for a few hours it shouldn't hurt anything.
Can you see the rest of the vent from inside? Make sure the slope is good and you don't have a water collection issue further up the pipe. I had one that had about a 20' run and it would sag in the middle and fill up blocking the vent.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to speede5 For This Useful Post:
|
|
01-03-2022, 02:54 PM
|
#4447
|
Scoring Winger
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: The Corral
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by speede5
I'm surprised that little bit of ice is causing enough restriction to shut off the heater. Maybe drill a couple holes where its collecting so the melt can drain but in extreme cold that might not work for long.
I wouldn't run it without the cap as the exhaust can be drawn straight back into the intake, but in a pinch for a few hours it shouldn't hurt anything.
Can you see the rest of the vent from inside? Make sure the slope is good and you don't have a water collection issue further up the pipe. I had one that had about a 20' run and it would sag in the middle and fill up blocking the vent.
|
Thanks I’ll certainly take a look on the inside and check it out.
I took that picture a day or 2 into the cold snap. If I had left that cone on the whole bottom fills with ice in time ( happened previous years)
Thanks for the suggestion!
__________________
"They canned a head coach, the GM is on the firing line, they're 12th in the West and just lost at home to the last place team in the NHL.
And (I am not making this up) statistically this is the Edmonton Oilers fourth best season in the last 13 years." via Rob Tychkowski's Twitter 1-23-2019
|
|
|
01-04-2022, 01:16 PM
|
#4448
|
First Line Centre
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fleury’sOTGoalCelebration
Thanks I’ll certainly take a look on the inside and check it out.
I took that picture a day or 2 into the cold snap. If I had left that cone on the whole bottom fills with ice in time ( happened previous years)
Thanks for the suggestion!
|
I had lots of issues with my furnace intake getting clogged with snow and frost in certain conditions so I know the pain.
I bought the same type on vent as you have but din't get it installed before I sold my place. One other thing I'm thinking, because it exits the house with a slight downward slope, to allow the vent pipe to drain outside, perhaps when you install the cap you should tilt it upwards a bit. You should have some leeway so that rather than the condensate dripping into the cap and standing it would continue to drain out.
Not sure if that makes sense without a drawing. Basically tip the end upwards before securing it with those screws.
Once it starts freezing before draining it will just accumulate exponentially. The heat from the vent only keeps it liquid so it runs out it isn't enough to evaporate it.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to speede5 For This Useful Post:
|
|
01-04-2022, 07:29 PM
|
#4449
|
Scoring Winger
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: The Corral
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by speede5
I had lots of issues with my furnace intake getting clogged with snow and frost in certain conditions so I know the pain.
I bought the same type on vent as you have but din't get it installed before I sold my place. One other thing I'm thinking, because it exits the house with a slight downward slope, to allow the vent pipe to drain outside, perhaps when you install the cap you should tilt it upwards a bit. You should have some leeway so that rather than the condensate dripping into the cap and standing it would continue to drain out.
Not sure if that makes sense without a drawing. Basically tip the end upwards before securing it with those screws.
Once it starts freezing before draining it will just accumulate exponentially. The heat from the vent only keeps it liquid so it runs out it isn't enough to evaporate it.
|
Thanks for the recommendation, once the weather warms up a bit I will take a look at it and see if I can make any improvements.
__________________
"They canned a head coach, the GM is on the firing line, they're 12th in the West and just lost at home to the last place team in the NHL.
And (I am not making this up) statistically this is the Edmonton Oilers fourth best season in the last 13 years." via Rob Tychkowski's Twitter 1-23-2019
|
|
|
01-07-2022, 07:24 PM
|
#4450
|
#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Back in Calgary!!
|
Anybody ever seen, basically icicles streaking down vinyl siding, coming out of the drain holes?
I went out to have a look at the vents today to see how they're holding up and discovered it. I've never seen that before
I'm kinda puzzled by it. It's on the "wet" side of the house, ie: where 90% of the plumbing fixtures are. My best guess is vapour from the bathroom and kitchen sink window escaping through to the cold side and started to drain on those warm couple of days, then froze again as the deep freeze re-visited.
No vapor barrier is perfect, but I'm a bit surprised by the discovery. If my guess, is what's going on.
|
|
|
01-08-2022, 10:34 AM
|
#4451
|
First Line Centre
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by speede5
One other thing I'm thinking, because it exits the house with a slight downward slope, to allow the vent pipe to drain outside, perhaps when you install the cap you should tilt it upwards a bit. You should have some leeway so that rather than the condensate dripping into the cap and standing it would continue to drain out.
Not sure if that makes sense without a drawing. Basically tip the end upwards before securing it with those screws.
|
This touches on a really, really common misconception with regard to direct-vented appliances. Your flue should slope back to the inside of the house, not to the outside. The end of the flue vent should be tipped "up" to drain back to the furnace/water heater/boiler, usually a minimum 2% (or ~1/4 inch per foot of length). It should not drain to outside.
Fleury'sOT, you've got a few things going on that are wacky. First of all the cone fitting you took off should be glued on. It's hard to tell but the ice pooling inside the cone may be from condensate in the exhaust stream (the smaller pipe) leaking through the unglued joint into the intake (the bigger pipe). The source of your issue may be that right there: the fact that the cone isn't glued on and it's leaking.
Second of all, what's up with the screws? There should be any. Make sure the pipes are glued, not screwed.
Lastly the pipe should slope down into the house, back to your water heater. If you have access, look at the pipe run on the inside of the house. Both the intake and exhaust should slope toward your heater. If they're relatively flat, or there are any sags in the run, that's a problem that needs to get rectified.
|
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to timun For This Useful Post:
|
|
01-08-2022, 11:38 AM
|
#4452
|
Franchise Player
|
How close can you have a HW heater vent to a furnace vent and combustion air intake?
I'd like to replace my HW heater with a direct vent, but need to know how close I can put these outlets.
|
|
|
01-08-2022, 02:35 PM
|
#4453
|
First Line Centre
|
Generally if your appliances are <100,000 BTUh you can install the direct-vented flue from one appliance as close as 1 ft from the combustion air intake of another.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to timun For This Useful Post:
|
|
01-08-2022, 02:46 PM
|
#4454
|
Franchise Player
|
Ah, excellent, thank you! Presumably the HW tank is much lower than that, and the furnace? Just a 1000 sqft bungalow, so it's not a beast. Looks like maybe 60 000?
|
|
|
01-08-2022, 02:59 PM
|
#4455
|
First Line Centre
|
Yeah, usually your furnace should be in the ballpark of 45,000-70,000, while a water heater... could be whatever you want really. I've seen 50 gallon models with 100,000 input. A tankless could be 200,000 or more. In that case generally the clearance will be 3 ft minimum, but it'll have to be double-checked against the manufacturer's instructions; it may be more.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to timun For This Useful Post:
|
|
01-08-2022, 03:07 PM
|
#4456
|
Franchise Player
|
Cool, even 3 feet is probably workable without too much difficulty.
|
|
|
01-08-2022, 11:29 PM
|
#4457
|
First Line Centre
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by timun
This touches on a really, really common misconception with regard to direct-vented appliances. Your flue should slope back to the inside of the house, not to the outside. The end of the flue vent should be tipped "up" to drain back to the furnace/water heater/boiler, usually a minimum 2% (or ~1/4 inch per foot of length). It should not drain to outside.
Fleury'sOT, you've got a few things going on that are wacky. First of all the cone fitting you took off should be glued on. It's hard to tell but the ice pooling inside the cone may be from condensate in the exhaust stream (the smaller pipe) leaking through the unglued joint into the intake (the bigger pipe). The source of your issue may be that right there: the fact that the cone isn't glued on and it's leaking.
Second of all, what's up with the screws? There should be any. Make sure the pipes are glued, not screwed.
Lastly the pipe should slope down into the house, back to your water heater. If you have access, look at the pipe run on the inside of the house. Both the intake and exhaust should slope toward your heater. If they're relatively flat, or there are any sags in the run, that's a problem that needs to get rectified.
|
This is why you should be careful getting internet advice. Someone can steer you 180 degrees the wrong direction.
timun is right. I spun myself around somehow.
I would be a little hesitant to glue that end on until you solve the issue though. You don,t have a lot of extra pipe there if you don’t get it right the first time.
|
|
|
01-09-2022, 08:07 AM
|
#4458
|
Scoring Winger
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: The Corral
|
The Home Improvement Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by timun
This touches on a really, really common misconception with regard to direct-vented appliances. Your flue should slope back to the inside of the house, not to the outside. The end of the flue vent should be tipped "up" to drain back to the furnace/water heater/boiler, usually a minimum 2% (or ~1/4 inch per foot of length). It should not drain to outside.
Fleury'sOT, you've got a few things going on that are wacky. First of all the cone fitting you took off should be glued on. It's hard to tell but the ice pooling inside the cone may be from condensate in the exhaust stream (the smaller pipe) leaking through the unglued joint into the intake (the bigger pipe). The source of your issue may be that right there: the fact that the cone isn't glued on and it's leaking.
Second of all, what's up with the screws? There should be any. Make sure the pipes are glued, not screwed.
Lastly the pipe should slope down into the house, back to your water heater. If you have access, look at the pipe run on the inside of the house. Both the intake and exhaust should slope toward your heater. If they're relatively flat, or there are any sags in the run, that's a problem that needs to get rectified.
|
Thanks for the input timun, The only part that is glued is the cone to the male pvc pipe. Not sure why but the home builder used a screw for the cone and a screw for the elbow.
For the last 4-5 days I did re-attach the cone with the elbow removed and so far no issues. I am going to take a look at it today to see if any minor ice has built up.
I do have access inside the house so I will take a look (and a picture) and see how it’s configured.
On a side note - does anyone know where I can get a duplicate of this set up made or purchased? Cone with the pipe and elbow? I understand a trades person could but just wondering if I can go to a specific store and get it.
Thanks!
__________________
"They canned a head coach, the GM is on the firing line, they're 12th in the West and just lost at home to the last place team in the NHL.
And (I am not making this up) statistically this is the Edmonton Oilers fourth best season in the last 13 years." via Rob Tychkowski's Twitter 1-23-2019
Last edited by Fleury’sOTGoalCelebration; 01-09-2022 at 08:35 AM.
|
|
|
01-09-2022, 12:00 PM
|
#4459
|
Scoring Winger
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: The Corral
|
I was able to get some pictures from the inside, the pvc from the HW tank is shown, arrows show it goes straight up then basically straight out (90 degree) 2nd pic
This may be a dumb question but is that ice build up in the 1st picture normal?
__________________
"They canned a head coach, the GM is on the firing line, they're 12th in the West and just lost at home to the last place team in the NHL.
And (I am not making this up) statistically this is the Edmonton Oilers fourth best season in the last 13 years." via Rob Tychkowski's Twitter 1-23-2019
|
|
|
01-09-2022, 04:43 PM
|
#4460
|
First Line Centre
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fleury’sOTGoalCelebration
On a side note - does anyone know where I can get a duplicate of this set up made or purchased? Cone with the pipe and elbow? I understand a trades person could but just wondering if I can go to a specific store and get it.
|
The pipe is PVC meeting ULC standard S636. It's commonly known by the brand name "System 636" (made by Ipex). It's sold in the big box stores, it's not hard to get.
Keep in mind you need a specific primer and glue ("cement") for it. You can also get that at Home Despot, Blowes, etc.
In your photos it's hard to tell what's going on. The ice formation is definitely not good, but it looks like you're missing vapour barrier...
Last edited by timun; 01-09-2022 at 04:45 PM.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to timun For This Useful Post:
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:53 PM.
|
|