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Old 05-16-2018, 10:33 AM   #501
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Hopefully he gets a longer sentence, and has to fork over more money for lawyers. What a turd.

FYI: The Lord had nothing to do with this. But hey, keep praying. Sure helped saved your son. But I guess this is what happens when you turn your families life over to witchcraft and prayer. Next time try doctors and science.
Maybe not, maybe God wants a longer sentence for Stephan and to scare similar idiots into taking their sick kids to the ####ing Doctor's office
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I'm always hoping that someday one of these idiots will thank god, and the good lord will appeal and look at the camera and say "It wasn't me, I'm not on his side"


I would really love it if a team like the Yankees wins and their MVP says"I'd like to thank god for this win"


And god shows up in some other teams jersey and gives him the middle finger and says "No really F you man"
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I'm always hoping that someday one of these idiots will thank god, and the good lord will appeal and look at the camera and say "It wasn't me, I'm not on his side"


I would really love it if a team like the Yankees wins and their MVP says"I'd like to thank god for this win"


And god shows up in some other teams jersey and gives him the middle finger and says "No really F you man"
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Maybe not, maybe God wants a longer sentence for Stephan and to scare similar idiots into taking their sick kids to the ####ing Doctor's office
Sigh. God doesn't want anything. Don't fall into that trap.
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But if you frame your criticism of Stephan in the context of atheism, you're going to alienate some religious people, and drive them to the kooky science camp.

I was trying to point out the foolishness of his assumption that God was on his side.

IMO, Stephan should be despised by believers just as much as by non-believers.
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But if you frame your criticism of Stephan in the context of atheism, you're going to alienate some religious people, and drive them to the kooky science camp.

I was trying to point out the foolishness of his assumption that God was on his side.

IMO, Stephan should be despised by believers just as much as by non-believers.
What someone is going to do is bookmark his tweet and reply after he is sentenced longer saying God wanted punish him more.
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Old 05-16-2018, 11:42 PM   #507
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IMO, Stephan should be despised by believers just as much as by non-believers.
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The actual complaints of the defense seem reasonable. If the jury instruction as the defense alleged did not contain the fact that in order for it to be criminal negligence they had to be not only negligent but also marked departure from what a average person would do in such a circumstance. Failing to provide this explanation is a mistake.

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[108] The facts of this case are very different from most others where failure to provide is charged. The Appellants were attentive, loving parents who were actively attempting to fulfill their parental duties. If their “failure” was not taking Ezekiel to a doctor, it did not stem from eccentric beliefs or a distrust of “modern” medicine as the Crown tried to allege. The evidence establishes ongoing consultations with a medically-trained emergency room nurse as well as an urgent 911 call and a trip to the hospital.242 The Appellants were not trying to hide an injured child because they feared legal repercussions.243 They did not take Ezekiel to a doctor because his symptoms appeared to be mild and consistent with a typical cold or flu. They were told by a medical professional that she could find nothing wrong with him. The determination of whether the Appellants’ conduct represented a marked departure from the standard of the reasonable parent was compromised by a misleading, confusing instruction – an error which was compounded inadmissible and highly prejudicial opinions offered by a number of medical doctors regarding what they would have done. It is the respectful position of the Appellants that a new trial is required.
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The judge screwed up, I don't like it as after reading the evidence these people's incompetence led to their child's death and it was a marked departure from the standard of care but the rule of law needs to be followed and having juries of non-experts as the triers of fact requires good instructions so people understand and Make decisions based on the law and not emotions.

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There's really nothing to cause alarm unless the Supreme Court finds them 'not guilty'.
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A whole bunch of doctors have misdiagnosed meningitis and sent people home to die with painkillers for their migraine. It does seem like taking your kid to the hospital when he's too stiff to even put in a car seat is a little freaking negligent though.
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There's really nothing to cause alarm unless the Supreme Court finds them 'not guilty'.
The SCC announced its ruling immediately. They set aside the earlier conviction, they did not find them 'not guilty'.

The Crown can elect to re-try them. It'll probably be a month or two before we know if they intend to do that.
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A whole bunch of doctors have misdiagnosed meningitis and sent people home to die with painkillers for their migraine. It does seem like taking your kid to the hospital when he's too stiff to even put in a car seat is a little freaking negligent though.
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As someone who has had bacterial meningitis this story really hits home as I know what this kid would have been going through. Its really sad.
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As someone who has had bacterial meningitis this story really hits home as I know what this kid would have been going through. Its really sad.
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Was it the smoothies that cured you, or all the praying?
I mean I had 2 booster juice's while in hospital since I wasn't on a restricted diet. So maybe?
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As someone who has had bacterial meningitis this story really hits home as I know what this kid would have been going through. Its really sad.
I had it too in 2010. There are thousands of Google hits. One of the first is a legal guide to processing your meningitis misdiagnosis claim. It's a very very common misdiagnosis, especially with kids. Kids are very good at hiding their symptoms and have nothing to compare this sick with that sick. This is just one of thousands of pages explaining a bit about it...

http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/m/meningitis/misdiag.htm

There are thousands more news stories of people misdiagnosed. Not at all uncommon.
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I had it too in 2010. There are thousands of Google hits. One of the first is a legal guide to processing your meningitis misdiagnosis claim. It's a very very common misdiagnosis, especially with kids. Kids are very good at hiding their symptoms and have nothing to compare this sick with that sick. This is just one of thousands of pages explaining a bit about it...

http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/m/meningitis/misdiag.htm

There are thousands more news stories of people misdiagnosed. Not at all uncommon.
Again. If you are going to post such ridiculous claims, post some sources from Canadian hospitals or class actions or anything showing this. Otherwise you are talking out of your ass.

Thousands of news stories? Surely you could at least link one relevant Canadian article.
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Again. If you are going to post such ridiculous claims, post some sources from Canadian hospitals or class actions or anything showing this. Otherwise you are talking out of your ass.

Thousands of news stories? Surely you could at least link one relevant Canadian article.
Oh man. You're a tough cookie. I assume you're not going to like my sources next or there aren't enough of them to prove my point. Feel free to provide even one thing that says meningitis is easy to diagnose. But anyway...

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/hospital-...ules-1.3180303

https://www.sommersandroth.com/our-c...-teenage-girl/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...ions-1.2932078

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Meningitis can be hard to diagnose, and it can develop very quickly or over the course of a few days.
https://globalnews.ca/news/2668080/c...ise-awareness/

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  • Meningitis can kill within hours, and is often mistaken for the flu in its early stages.
The majority of the misdiagnosis articles seem to be from Great Britain and the US. But there is no doubt what so ever that meningitis is misdiagnosed a lot by doctors all over the developed world. So when parents treat their kid as if they have a cold, it's not really that unusual or even that negligent.. Everything ever written about meningitis says that it is easy to misdiagnose especially in children and especially in children under 2.

Sorry you're so bent about it. Your experience getting it as an adult is nothing like a two year old getting it.
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Oh man. You're a tough cookie. I assume you're not going to like my sources next or there aren't enough of them to prove my point. Feel free to provide even one thing that says meningitis is easy to diagnose. But anyway...

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/hospital-...ules-1.3180303

https://www.sommersandroth.com/our-c...-teenage-girl/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...ions-1.2932078



https://globalnews.ca/news/2668080/c...ise-awareness/

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...512327481.html

[/LIST]The majority of the misdiagnosis articles seem to be from Great Britain and the US. But there is no doubt what so ever that meningitis is misdiagnosed a lot by doctors all over the developed world. So when parents treat their kid as if they have a cold, it's not really that unusual or even that negligent.. Everything ever written about meningitis says that it is easy to misdiagnose especially in children and especially in children under 2.

Sorry you're so bent about it. Your experience getting it as an adult is nothing like a two year old getting it.
I was genuinely interested as I was diagnosed extremely quickly and this was 14 years ago. So to say thousands of people die yearly due to wrong diagnosis I was surprised and thought it was a bold claim. I’ll tske a look when I get s chance to read some of these things, thanks .
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I'm always hoping that someday one of these idiots will thank god, and the good lord will appeal and look at the camera and say "It wasn't me, I'm not on his side"


I would really love it if a team like the Yankees wins and their MVP says"I'd like to thank god for this win"


And god shows up in some other teams jersey and gives him the middle finger and says "No really F you man"

Time for the appropriate Randy Newman song

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Montreal naturopath found guilty of manslaughter as Quebec Court of Appeal overturns acquittal

Quebec's highest court rules Mitra Javanmardi will face new trial on negligence charge for death of patient


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