Friedman: Gaudreau not expected to comment on contract status

[868904]

Originally Posted by zamler

No wonder things are not progressing Gaudreau's agent is talking to a tree.

Gaudreau’s Agent: so Tre, we want $9 million for 7 years with full NMC.

Tre: I am Groot.

Gaudreau’s Agent: what?

Tre: I am Groot!


The sad part is, Tre said sure, but there is a failure to communicate.

[GreenLantern2814]

I can’t help feeling this all hinges on Eichel.

We get him, we can keep Johnny, and maybe even Tkachuk. But Johnny for sure.

Gaudreau isn’t signing another 5-8 years to play with Monahan.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I can’t help feeling this all hinges on Eichel.

We get him, we can keep Johnny, and maybe even Tkachuk. But Johnny for sure.

Gaudreau isn’t signing another 5-8 years to play with Monahan.

Why? He loves playing with Monahan. I think possibly an Eichel acquisition might affect a Gaudreau signing from management side but not Johnny's.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Gaudreau isn’t signing another 5-8 years to play with Monahan.

Did you listen to him in his media availability yesterday?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why? He loves playing with Monahan. I think possibly an Eichel acquisition might affect a Gaudreau signing from management side but not Johnny's.

Because he demands to only play with high draft pick American centres. Or live somewhere else. Those are the only options imaginable. Haven’t you Flames Fan’d before?

I’m assuming he’s been shouting this from the rooftops by the amount of times this rubbish is rehashed.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think (me, not someone else) that this habit some people have of acting like they're in the minds of these other people, especially those with entirely different lives and circumstances, is entirely silly.

If NHL star players think differently than you (assuming we know at least that much is true) then it would follow that any claims you make about what they thought or are thinking is totally pointless nonsense.

The other really silly thing is coming onto a message board and shouting down at people to not voice opinions based on inferences from things like context, past history, body language, statements made, etc. and then turning literally everything into an appeal to authority, thus completely usurping the entire point of a message board.

Nobody knows anything ever. Got it. Don’t bother participating then?

[dustygoon]

His last contract was interesting and thought it was good at the time. But this little no trade clause in the final year worked out nicely for him. Maybe he knew there was a chance he would leave

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

His last contract was interesting and thought it was good at the time. But this little no trade clause in the final year worked out nicely for him. Maybe he knew there was a chance he would leave

I think most players would have that as a contingency plan. It is why NMCs often kick in later in the contract. Doesn't mean he wants to leave, or wanted to leave at the time of making the contract - to me it is basically Gaudreau saying near the end of the contract there is a potential that A) I won't want to re-sign or B)the team will want to trade me because they don't want to re-sign me, to give me as much control should either or both of those scenarios occur an NMC would be logical to include in the contract.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I think most players would have that as a contingency plan. It is why NMCs often kick in later in the contract. Doesn't mean he wants to leave, or wanted to leave at the time of making the contract - to me it is basically Gaudreau saying near the end of the contract there is a potential that A) I won't want to re-sign or B)the team will want to trade me because they don't want to re-sign me, to give me as much control should either or both of those scenarios occur an NMC would be logical to include in the contract.

It’s near the end of contracts with RFAs because they can only do it in the UFA years at the end. Gio’s in contrast had a full NTC in the first 4 years and a MNTC in the last two so the team had some flexibility to move him.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think (me, not someone else) that this habit some people have of acting like they're in the minds of these other people, especially those with entirely different lives and circumstances, is entirely silly.

If NHL star players think differently than you (assuming we know at least that much is true) then it would follow that any claims you make about what they thought or are thinking is totally pointless nonsense.

There is a world of difference between saying what someone is actually thinking and what someone may be thinking or ls likely thinking.

[heep223]

Why would Gaudreau stay here? A) If the team was good and/or B) he gets a LT offer at 9M+. Neither is happening. Unless he places exorbitant value on the friendships and relationships he‘s made here (ie Monahan) I firmly believe he’s going back East and I don’t blame him. We can hope and pray it’s in a trade but this may go down as the worst asset mgmt in the history of the team. I hope I’m wrong

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by heep223

Why would Gaudreau stay here? A) If the team was good and/or B) he gets a LT offer at 9M+. Neither is happening. Unless he places exorbitant value on the friendships and relationships he‘s made here (ie Monahan) I firmly believe he’s going back East and I don’t blame him. We can hope and pray it’s in a trade but this may go down as the worst asset mgmt in the history of the team. I hope I’m wrong

Number 1 reason would be the familiarity and him being comfortable here.

Players love to be comfortable in their surroundings and with the team. Not a guarantee that even if he gets paid that he will be comfortable on his new team and he will fit in as a player or in the locker room.

I think fans underestimate how much that means to a player.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by heep223

Why would Gaudreau stay here? A) If the team was good and/or B) he gets a LT offer at 9M+. Neither is happening. Unless he places exorbitant value on the friendships and relationships he‘s made here (ie Monahan) I firmly believe he’s going back East and I don’t blame him. We can hope and pray it’s in a trade but this may go down as the worst asset mgmt in the history of the team. I hope I’m wrong

I think it is pretty presumptuous to conclude that the team will not be good this year, and that Gaudreau would have no incentive to stay beyond a gross overpay or for the friendships he has made along the way. The Flames could realistically finish second in the Division, and start the first round of the playoffs on home ice. I have no doubt that Gaudreau at least sees this potential at the outset, and this combined with his familiarity with the team will undoubtedly play a significant role in whether or not he re-signs.

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[heep223]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think it is pretty presumptuous to conclude that the team will not be good this year, and that Gaudreau would have no incentive to stay beyond a gross overpay or for the friendships he has made along the way. The Flames could realistically finish second in the Division, and start the first round of the playoffs on home ice. I have no doubt that Gaudreau at least sees this potential at the outset, and this combined with his familiarity with the team will undoubtedly play a significant role in whether or not he re-signs.

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It’s definitely presumptuous. Just my opinion

[Groot]

Originally Posted by 868904

Gaudreau’s Agent: so Tre, we want $9 million for 7 years with full NMC.

Tre: I am Groot.

Gaudreau’s Agent: what?

Tre: I am Groot!


The sad part is, Tre said sure, but there is a failure to communicate.

I totally understand what Tre is saying here

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by heep223

Why would Gaudreau stay here? A) If the team was good and/or B) he gets a LT offer at 9M+. Neither is happening. Unless he places exorbitant value on the friendships and relationships he‘s made here (ie Monahan) I firmly believe he’s going back East and I don’t blame him. We can hope and pray it’s in a trade but this may go down as the worst asset mgmt in the history of the team. I hope I’m wrong

Where out East? He isn't going to Philly unless they sacrifice a bunch of future to make the cap space. The Rangers have big money coming up to spend and the Islanders are capped out. So that leaves NJ who will need to ink Hughes to a new deal as well and does Gaudreau even fit the timeline for what they are trying to do there? The only thing people were always spitballing about was him playing for the Flyers, that is not happening next year as a UFA.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why? He loves playing with Monahan. I think possibly an Eichel acquisition might affect a Gaudreau signing from management side but not Johnny's.

Because the team has plateaued.

They’re not getting significantly better unless they add a premiere player. They aren’t drafting their way out of this picking anywhere from 12th to 24th overall.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Where out East? He isn't going to Philly unless they sacrifice a bunch of future to make the cap space. The Rangers have big money coming up to spend and the Islanders are capped out. So that leaves NJ who will need to ink Hughes to a new deal as well and does Gaudreau even fit the timeline for what they are trying to do there? The only thing people were always spitballing about was him playing for the Flyers, that is not happening next year as a UFA.

Yeah I haven’t looked into the individual teams’ cap situations. I wonder if JG is planning to wait until closer to trade deadline to see if the flames are going to the playoffs or not, and then will decide. He could even go to a contender as a rental and then re-evaluate UFA options after the season. There’s a ton of options and paths here. None of them look all that good for the Flames.

All I’m saying is that I think the balance of probabilities points to him leaving. Not the least of which is that he hasn’t signed a long term deal with the team. That’s pretty telling in of itself.

And it’s not like I’m negative all the time. I was pounding the table that I thought he was going to sign his ELC with the Flames when lots of people were all but certain he was going to use the 4 year college loophole.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Because the team has plateaued.

They’re not getting significantly better unless they add a premiere player. They aren’t drafting their way out of this picking anywhere from 12th to 24th overall.

They might, though. Better than last year? Sure. Better than the playoffs performances we’ve seen? Sure. Both are doable without getting a premiere player, and we’ve hit gold with players picked a lot later than 12, so we’ll see.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

They might, though. Better than last year? Sure. Better than the playoffs performances we’ve seen? Sure. Both are doable without getting a premiere player, and we’ve hit gold with players picked a lot later than 12, so we’ll see.

Sutter said he came here to win a championship.

I don’t see how that is achievable with a 160 lb LW as the best offensive player on the team. At minimum, he needs another elite player.

If the team hasn’t been able to find one for eight years, why would Gaudreau think they’d be able to do it in the next seven? Especially if they flub this, the best chance they’re going to get at a #1C?

Who could they possibly acquire who’s better, younger, under team control for longer, than Jack Eichel in the next 2-3 years?

Nobody. So if they can’t get him, you’re stuck in the mud.

And I don’t know who signs up to be stuck in the mud.

At least the Oilers can argue “we have McDavid and Draisaitl - anything could happen”.

What’s the reason Gaudreau signs here, at anything less than a premium?