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[curves2000]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

What is it curves is trying to get at here. What are these uncomfortable truths and decisions that need to be made? GMG when people won’t just come out and say what they think.

That perhaps these people need to be treated for their addictions with gusto, jailed and not released for violent crimes that have been committed and getting serious about tackling this problem. Safety and security within the community can be restored to a much better degree than it is now. I think that is pretty evident in the posts.

At least that is the logical thing I would say if, say for example, you were murdered tomorrow for being a good samaritan and helping out someone out who was on your property or workplace. Or if your spouse was attacked beyond recognition and sexually assaulted and left for dead.

I probably wouldn't counter argue improving the situation on the ground and in society like the posters are. I try not to normalize things that are just tragic and sad and allow crime and the decay in society to fester.

[ResAlien]

Eh I’m not a fan of the Chinese jail or execute drug addicts style of government but hey if that’s your thing good for you. Vote for the people who espouse those beliefs I guess.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Are you actually serious right now or are you just looking for a reaction based on a minor technicality? Fentanyl and associated chemical substances are coming from China in mass quantities. There is no dispute in any of this.

What's next, that Mexican cartels don't transport drugs into America? Columbia has absolutely nothing to do with cocaine?

China subsidizes companies that make fentanyl precursors, which are then sent to countries like the US and Mexico. China itself does not send fentanyl, nor do many Chinese companies after they cracked down on its production in 2019 (and if they do, it isn’t for long).

In Canada, the vast majority of fentanyl is produced and the chemicals needed for its production is supplied domestically. There is even evidence that Canada is exporting fentanyl to the US, albeit in small quantities.

I just think maybe if you’re going to say “there’s no dispute” you shouldn’t say things that are easily disputed. Facts are not just “technicalities.”

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Eh I’m not a fan of the Chinese jail or execute drug addicts style of government but hey if that’s your thing good for you. Vote for the people who espouse those beliefs I guess.

“Can you believe China?? We should be like China!”

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Eh I’m not a fan of the Chinese jail or execute drug addicts style of government but hey if that’s your thing good for you. Vote for the people who espouse those beliefs I guess.

Nobody ever said anything about the Chinese system for executing drug addicts on my end, I mentioned not allowing Canada to poison their people. But I ask, if they can't get treatment, are in the community committing crimes and disorder and being released, what is our strategy? Probably why it's getting worse when we don't really have a strategy.

[ResAlien]

You said jailed and not released for violent crime and that safety and security of the community should be paramount (that last part is implied from your posts). It seemed clear you’re advocating for a stronger government state that aggressively punishes drug use and distribution. Fine not China, maybe Malaysia or Thailand. It’s all the same thing it’s treating the symptom and not the cause.

Or maybe you’re advocating for more government programs to help those addicted, or crackdowns and criminal punishments for the private businesses and doctors that helped cause the opioid epidemic with their foisting of cheap oxy onto the population. I don’t know you’re still being a little vague. Is that the uncomfortable conversation that you want to lock up drug addicts?

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

China subsidizes companies that make fentanyl precursors, which are then sent to countries like the US and Mexico. China itself does not send fentanyl, nor do many Chinese companies after they cracked down on its production in 2019 (and if they do, it isn’t for long).

In Canada, the vast majority of fentanyl is produced and the chemicals needed for its production is supplied domestically. There is even evidence that Canada is exporting fentanyl to the US, albeit in small quantities.

I just think maybe if you’re going to say “there’s no dispute” you shouldn’t say things that are easily disputed. Facts are not just “technicalities.”

Your not getting off an a technicality here. So China is sending precursors to US and Mexico but not Canada, cause why?

https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentVi...nyl%20seizures.

"Criminal investigations and intelligence identify China as the main source country of fentanyl and its analogues entering Canada. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police publicly report on the fentanyl seizures"

I won't waste any more of my afternoon arguing this nonsense. Fentanyl and associated substances are coming into Canada from China and other sources. We need to crack down significantly on it, on domestic production and cutting off the demand with treatment , rehab and stronger policies in the courts and the streets. We need to clean this situation up in our country, it's gotten out of control and people are fed up.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Your not getting off an a technicality here. So China is sending precursors to US and Mexico but not Canada, cause why?

https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentVi...nyl%20seizures.

"Criminal investigations and intelligence identify China as the main source country of fentanyl and its analogues entering Canada. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police publicly report on the fentanyl seizures"

I won't waste any more of my afternoon arguing this nonsense. Fentanyl and associated substances are coming into Canada from China and other sources. We need to crack down significantly on it, on domestic production and cutting off the demand with treatment , rehab and stronger policies in the courts and the streets. We need to clean this situation up in our country, it's gotten out of control and people are fed up.

Well, "technically" that report is from 2016.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

You said jailed and not released for violent crime and that safety and security of the community should be paramount (that last part is implied from your posts). It seemed clear you’re advocating for a stronger government state that aggressively punishes drug use and distribution. Fine not China, maybe Malaysia or Thailand. It’s all the same thing it’s treating the symptom and not the cause.

Or maybe you’re advocating for more government programs to help those addicted, or crackdowns and criminal punishments for the private businesses and doctors that helped cause the opioid epidemic with their foisting of cheap oxy onto the population. I don’t know you’re still being a little vague. Is that the uncomfortable conversation that you want to lock up drug addicts?

I am talking about an actual strategy and an actual approach to dealing with this. We need expanded treatment facilities on a very large scale, we need to scale those treatment facilities with people and get them clean and rehabbed. We need these people becoming functional members of society. They all have a story and at one point had significant promise in their lives.

We also need to get tough on social disorder, crime, the lack of safety in our cities and the lack of feeling safe. We may need to start holding these people and the people in the courts and in office to account. Just because some addict thinks it's ok and some people are naive and are ok with allowing these people to go on rampages causing destruction, doesn't mean we should allow it. How much destruction should one person be allowed to conduct before they actually need to be locked up for a very long period of time? It's always when someone is affected do they expect things to have gone better. The system is beyond broken but we have enough fixes we can do to actually improve things. It's almost like people WANT this to continue and let everyone's lives getting destroyed by drugs, homeless and more.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well, "technically" that report is from 2016.

Was gonna say.

Three years before China banned the production of fentanyl and its analogues… because of international pressure… which was created by reports like this.

Guy wants us to do “something” and accuses the government of having no strategy while not even knowing what the something the other something is supposed to address is.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by curves2000

We need to clean this situation up in our country, it's gotten out of control and people are fed up.

I thought people were pretending it wasn’t an issue?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am talking about an actual strategy and an actual approach to dealing with this. We need expanded treatment facilities on a very large scale, we need to scale those treatment facilities with people and get them clean and rehabbed. We need these people becoming functional members of society. They all have a story and at one point had significant promise in their lives.

We also need to get tough on social disorder, crime, the lack of safety in our cities and the lack of feeling safe. We may need to start holding these people and the people in the courts and in office to account. Just because some addict thinks it's ok and some people are naive and are ok with allowing these people to go on rampages causing destruction, doesn't mean we should allow it. How much destruction should one person be allowed to conduct before they actually need to be locked up for a very long period of time? It's always when someone is affected do they expect things to have gone better. The system is beyond broken but we have enough fixes we can do to actually improve things. It's almost like people WANT this to continue and let everyone's lives getting destroyed by drugs, homeless and more.

But also, not raise taxes, and certainly don't vote for any politician that doesn't lie about how they will cut your taxes. Because we know our courts are under funded and staffed too. More police? More taxes. But nobody will vote for that, so here we are.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

But also, not raise taxes, and certainly don't vote for any politician that doesn't lie about how they will cut your taxes. Because we know our courts are under funded and staffed too. More police? More taxes. But nobody will vote for that, so here we are.

Listen, we just need to figure out a way to fix homelessness, the opioid crisis, inflation, cost of living, housing affordability, and the healthcare system without spending any money and while making sure no more immigrants come in.

Why can’t the government simply do this? Why, it is because they have no strategy!

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

But also, not raise taxes, and certainly don't vote for any politician that doesn't lie about how they will cut your taxes. Because we know our courts are under funded and staffed too. More police? More taxes. But nobody will vote for that, so here we are.

The same people who say we need to be tougher on crime like it's a Dirty Harry movie will be the FIRST in line to complain that we are taxed too much and say something idiotic like, "I pay for your salary, do more" without specifying what 'more' is.

[btimbit]

Damn woke taxes

[ResAlien]

All I want is an authoritarian state that unilaterally suppresses and punishes the things I find undesirable whilst simultaneously providing me with unfettered freedom to do as I please. God it’s like some of you don’t even grasp basic politics.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

God it’s like some of you don’t even grasp basic politics.

Hey man I pay my taxes, so someone else should figure out how to get me what I want while ensuring everyone else is good with it too.

[Fuzz]

It RGMG that someone put a serious topic that we discuss in another specific thread in the fun GG thread. Who did that? Be better.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Okay, as many of you know I am a licensed chiropractor. However, I haven’t practiced in years and would rather refer to myself as a professor. Unfortunately, because it helps my credibility as a teacher, I continue to maintain a license. That requires continuing education credits.

Right now I am attending a conference to fulfill the requirements, and if I’m being fair, most speakers are science oriented and research based, so it’s mostly good information.

And then, of course, because they can’t help themselves, they invite one of these fringe speakers who is anti vaccine and ranted to everyone for an hour about the “plandemic”. People were lining up to get his book afterwards. Jesus ####ing tapdancing Christ. Why can’t this profession grow up?

I’m done. Don’t ever refer to me as a chiropractor again. I’m a bio med teacher.

[SportsJunky]

Cali has left the darkside! Welcome brother.