American Politics Thread: The Hunt for Blue November

[Lanny_McDonald]

This is just depressing. The story of Trump's failed tower in Chicago and how he got out of paying back loans, taxes, and contractors.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-maneuve...121415189.html

[troutman]

Originally Posted by New Era

This is just depressing. The story of Trump's failed tower in Chicago and how he got out of paying back loans, taxes, and contractors.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-maneuve...121415189.html

Too bad his creditors did not resolve things "The Chicago Way".

[calumniate]

I wish the Dems would talk about the economics and cost of covid more. Especially with these super spreader rallies. Like how much does a covid hospitalization cost a taxpayer? Yikes

[Senator Clay Davis]

Their last poll was Trump +2, so makes a lot of sense for the Biden campaign to be getting surrogates there this week

https://twitter.com/user/status/1321497081752784897

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by octothorp

If you need another metaphor for Trump and his supporters, his rally in Nebraska fits: people had to take buses 4 miles from a parking lot to the airfield site, wait in the cold for him, to which he was an hour late. After he left, there were major issues with busing people back to the parking lot, with people continuing to be stranded in the freezing cold, unable to return to their vehicles for hours. First responders needed to come in to rescue many attendees and particularly seniors who were in distress and needed to be taken to hospital with hypothermia. In other words, just another day on the Trump campaign.

They will all still vote for him ...

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by getbak

They could do what FDR attempted to do, which was allow for the appointment of a new justice every time an existing one reached the age of 70 years and 6 months and chose not to retire, up to a maximum of 15.

There are currently 3 justices who are over 70 years and 6 months. That would allow for the temporary expansion of the court to 12 justices while maintaining the regular count at 9.

Expanding the court, or even putting in term limits, is a very dangerous proposition that AOC and the likes don't understand. Yes FDR tried to do it when he had supermajorities everywhere in 1937 and his own party wouldn't even dare. Expanding the court limits the power of the court to be the balance of power under any administration, even one 100 years from now. And putting age limits will become a strategy tools of when judges should and will resign. Parties will ended up choosing the youngest possible person.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Expanding the court, or even putting in term limits, is a very dangerous proposition that AOC and the likes don't understand. Yes FDR tried to do it when he had supermajorities everywhere in 1937 and his own party wouldn't even dare. Expanding the court limits the power of the court to be the balance of power under any administration, even one 100 years from now. And putting age limits will become a strategy tools of when judges should and will resign. Parties will ended up choosing the youngest possible person.

Totally. She's just a dumb bartender.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Expanding the court, or even putting in term limits, is a very dangerous proposition that AOC and the likes don't understand. Yes FDR tried to do it when he had supermajorities everywhere in 1937 and his own party wouldn't even dare. Expanding the court limits the power of the court to be the balance of power under any administration, even one 100 years from now. And putting age limits will become a strategy tools of when judges should and will resign. Parties will ended up choosing the youngest possible person.

Good God NO!



That in no way whatsoever changes the way things currently are

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

And putting age limits will become a strategy tools of when judges should and will resign. Parties will ended up choosing the youngest possible person.

Is that any worse than gambling on old justices surviving until the next election?

Like it's a ####ed up system where Republicans (some) are hoping a judge dies so they can put in their pawn, and the Democrats were hoping Ruth had just a couple more months in her.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Expanding the court, or even putting in term limits, is a very dangerous proposition that AOC and the likes don't understand. Yes FDR tried to do it when he had supermajorities everywhere in 1937 and his own party wouldn't even dare. Expanding the court limits the power of the court to be the balance of power under any administration, even one 100 years from now. And putting age limits will become a strategy tools of when judges should and will resign. Parties will ended up choosing the youngest possible person.

You speak as if the balance of power is in check. It’s not. The entire republic is corrupted. You have broken executive, legislative and judicial arms of the American government.

[bizkitgto]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Is that any worse than gambling on old justices surviving until the next election?

Like it's a ####ed up system where Republicans (some) are hoping a judge dies so they can put in their pawn, and the Democrats were hoping Ruth had just a couple more months in her.

Why Ruth didn't step down when Obama and the Dems had control is beyond me.

[octothorp]

Regarding SCOTUS reform, I think what you ultimately need to do is come up with some system whereby the court consists of moderates rather than two hyperpartisan camps.

Personally, I'm a fan of the Balanced Bench proposal that the Buttigieg and others have put forward: five republican appointees, five democratic appointees at all times. And then five appellate judges that must unanimously selected by the initial ten, with these last 5 serving for a single year. These last five will inevitably be moderates. Parties would be incentivized not in putting forward the most partisan possible judges, but rather in putting forward those that can make the most compelling, legally-sound arguments that would sway the moderates.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Totally. She's just a dumb bartender.

Oh come on, that's not fair. She's a very smart bartender.

[GGG]

My favourite is 18 year terms with appointments in the 1st and 3rd year of the presidential term.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bizkitgto

Why Ruth didn't step down when Obama and the Dems had control is beyond me.

She wanted to serve under the first female president

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Is that any worse than gambling on old justices surviving until the next election?

Like it's a ####ed up system where Republicans (some) are hoping a judge dies so they can put in their pawn, and the Democrats were hoping Ruth had just a couple more months in her.

Originally Posted by kermitology

You speak as if the balance of power is in check. It’s not. The entire republic is corrupted. You have broken executive, legislative and judicial arms of the American government.

I dont know about the Republic is broken, or if it's even at it's most partisan. The 60s and 70s were really violent with race riots and Vietnam. Go back and study the 68 HHH vs Nixon election.

We assume the 6-3 Supreme Court will break the Republic but well see if they overturn everything.

[bizkitgto]

Originally Posted by dino7c

She wanted to serve under the first female president

That's either stupid or plain selfish.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by bizkitgto

That's either stupid or plain selfish.

I don’t think it’s accurate, either.

Obama appointed two justices in his first 2 years - Elana Kagen and Sonia Sotomayor.

Cocaine Mitch and the Republicans have had control of the Senate since 2011.

Unless RBG was going to retire 12 years ago, she was forced to wait on a Democratic Senate that never came.

Give the old battle axe her due credit - she held the line.

[Titan]

Originally Posted by New Era

13 appellate courts. 12 jurors and a judge. The number seems just right. This is one of things I've suggested to fix the court. Also, don't let it get political, make it professional. Allow the courts to do the nomination process. The 94 districts nominate one person. The appellate then winnows that list down to 12 based on qualifications and service. That 12 is then sent to the President and a name must be selected from that list. The senate then confirms.

The Dems will pursue Court Reform. Count on it. There will be a very public process, and it will rebuild the court.

The courts that have now been packed by the Republicans? In concept, the districts should be in the best position to select but the reality is the hyper-partisanship of the lower court appointment process. Having them select the SCOTUS just pushes the power around and does not solve the problem.

[Bill Bumface]

Not packing the Supreme Court because you think it's not the "right" thing to do, just means the court will be packed the second the Republicans need to in the future.