08-07-2020, 02:13 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Qualification Round Stat Summary: Flames win the series 3-1!!!
Team Stats
Record: 3-1
GF: 16
GA: 6
PP%: 29.4%
PK%: 88.2%
Hits: 120
Blocked Shots: 58
Advanced Team Stats - 5v5 (Score Adjusted)
CF%: 49.6%
HDCF%: 52.2%
xGF%: 56.5%
Shooting Percentage: 6.96%
Save Percentage: .950
Series Leaders (Counting Stats)
Goals:
Monahan - 2
Lindholm - 2
Bennett - 2
Backlund -2
Gaudreau - 2
11 different Flames scored in the series.
Points:
Monahan - 6
Lindholm - 5
Lucic - 4
Mangiapane - 4
Bennett, Gaudreau, Backlund - 3
Hits:
Bennett - 22
Lindholm - 12
Lucic -12
Mangiapane - 11
Tkachuk - 11
Shots Blocked:
Giordano - 15
Brodie - 8
Forbort - 7
Andersson - 7
Lindholm - 6
Goalie Stats
Overall Sv %:
Talbot: .945 (104 /110)
High Danger Sv % :
Talbot: .706 (12/17)
Medium Danger Sv % :
Talbot: .970 (32/33)
Low Danger Sv %:
Talbot: 1.00 (55/55)
5v5 (Score Adjusted) Advanced Stats By Line
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
GF:1
GA:0
CF%: 44.7%
HDCF%: 0.00% (Line didn't have a high danger chance for at 5v5)
xGF%: 40.2% (0.6 for, 0.9 against)
Very very low event hockey for the top line. Didn't generate much but didn't give up anything either. No goals against at 5v5.
Tkachuk - Backlund - Mangiapane
GF: 2
GA: 1
CF%: 56.3%
HDCF%: 64.2%
xGF%: 66.5%
Domination by the second line.
Dube - Bennett - Lucic
GF:3
GA:1
CF%: 53.3%
HDCF%: 52.8%
xGF%: 58.0%
Super physical and dominated with possession and on the scoreboard.
Jankowski - Ryan - Reider
GF:0
GA:1
CF%: 58.7%
HDCF%: 72.2%
xGF%: 56.4%
Really changed the series dynamic. 4th line was picked on with Rinaldo in game 1 and 2, this line dominated once put together.
5v5 Advanced Stats By Pairing
Giordano / Brodie
GF:0
GA:2
CF%: 45.0%
HDCF%: 42.2%
xGF%: 52.8%
First pairing had the tough match up. Thought Brodie was strong but Giordano had a bit of a rough series.
Andersson / Hanifin
GF:3
GA:2
CF%: 60.2%
HDCF%: 50.2%
xGF%: 62.9%
Really great series from this pairing. Got better with each game as well IMO as they got more familiar with one another.
Gustafsson / Forbort
GF:2
GA:0
CF%: 49.3%
HDCF%: 64.3%
xGF%: 59.4%
Strong results from our third pairing, steady play and didn't really make any mistakes.
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08-07-2020, 02:17 PM
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#2
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Especially loving what I saw from Andersson. It's clear that Hanifin plays much better with a mobile d-partner. Those two looked great together. Shoring up that #3-4 spot is invaluable to this team.
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08-07-2020, 02:25 PM
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#3
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Franchise Player
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Hamonic - great dude. His time as a Flame though? Did any of his partners play better with him than without him?
Hanifin and Andersson starting to lay claims to that “1st pairing” title. I imagine they’ll have it to start next season.
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08-07-2020, 02:28 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: North Vancouver, BC
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Stats guys, is this good? What's the average?
High Danger Sv % :
Talbot: .706 (12/17
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08-07-2020, 02:38 PM
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#5
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
Hamonic - great dude. His time as a Flame though? Did any of his partners play better with him than without him?
Hanifin and Andersson starting to lay claims to that “1st pairing” title. I imagine they’ll have it to start next season.
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Personally I still think that's Treliving's worst move as Flames GM.
At least Neal/Brouwer were just cap space.
Giving up three high picks for Hamonic who had only 1 good season as a Flames d-man is a bad move.
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08-07-2020, 02:38 PM
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#6
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Adding Gus and Forbort are looking like very shrewd moves now. It's surprising to me that 2 players who didn't play on the team until late in the season have fit in so seamlessly.
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08-07-2020, 02:38 PM
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#7
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN
Stats guys, is this good? What's the average?
High Danger Sv % :
Talbot: .706 (12/17)
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It's actually a bit low - Talbot ranks 14th among all goalies that played at least one game in the qualifiers.
Also if you look at goalies that played at least 1000 minutes in the regular season the lowest HDSV% was .734 and Talbot was .799.
It's his medium and low danger that are impressive and at the top of all goalies in the qualifiers.
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08-07-2020, 02:44 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Adding Gus and Forbort are looking like very shrewd moves now. It's surprising to me that 2 players who didn't play on the team until late in the season have fit in so seamlessly.
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Absolutely.
Forbort's most common partner this season prior to the trade was Doughty on the top LA pair.
Comes here to be our #6 (#7 likely if Hamonic was available).
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08-07-2020, 02:48 PM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Personally I still think that's Treliving's worst move as Flames GM.
At least Neal/Brouwer were just cap space.
Giving up three high picks for Hamonic who had only 1 good season as a Flames d-man is a bad move.
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Everything about it was off. Hammer was established - he was what he was. At that stage of the build, who spend three prime assets on a depth defenceman? I think he sucked into a bidding war/was guilty of falling in love with a player on paper.
I'd put it right alongside Neal and Brouwer, but it's not as bad in my eyes because at least Hammer is an absolutely excellent dude off the ice and bled Flaming red for us. We never got that level of commitment from those two bums.
It is definitely his worst trade, and honestly why I think he's a bit gun-shy when it comes to significant trades now.
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08-07-2020, 02:49 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AC
Absolutely.
Forbort's most common partner this season prior to the trade was Doughty on the top LA pair.
Comes here to be our #6 (#7 likely if Hamonic was available).
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This is one thing that I think people struggle with some times when evaluating players.
Guys that are bad in top pairing / top line roles doesn't mean they are bad players all together (especially in those roles on bad teams).
A guy like Forbort getting smashed in a little bit in tough minutes on the top pairing doesn't mean he's a bad player, means he needs to be slotted better on the third pairing.
Similar to Alex Chiasson here - he should have never been on the top line with Gaudreau and Monahan but he's a pretty good bottom sixer in the right role / team.
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08-07-2020, 02:51 PM
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I wish the Flames had acquired Calvin de Haan instead of Hamonic - though he injury prone too. He is so steady.
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08-07-2020, 02:55 PM
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#12
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
I wish the Flames had acquired Calvin de Haan instead of Hamonic - though he injury prone too. He is so steady.
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I think I would have preferred it if they acquired neither.
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08-07-2020, 02:56 PM
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#13
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
I wish the Flames had acquired Calvin de Haan instead of Hamonic - though he injury prone too. He is so steady.
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Pulock would have been the shrewd move.
At that point after the 16-17 season he hadn't established himself yet, was 4 years post draft, had spent three years in the AHL, and at the time I remember Islanders fans had worried his development had stalled.
Bringing in a 22 year old RH shot d-man that hadn't broken out yet would have been perfect for the age and development group of this team.
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08-07-2020, 02:58 PM
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#14
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First Line Centre
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Hamonic is done with the Flames. I don't see how the team will re-sign him as he becomes too expensive and with many good young D coming up....
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08-07-2020, 02:58 PM
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#15
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Adding Gus and Forbort are looking like very shrewd moves now. It's surprising to me that 2 players who didn't play on the team until late in the season have fit in so seamlessly.
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Forbert just looks steady and solid in his role.
Gus filled a need, with his big shot from the point...which is actually kind of crazy, as the Flames seemed loaded with offensive d-men a few years ago. Hamilton being traded and Gio taking a step back had left the team pretty depleted in that department.
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08-07-2020, 03:45 PM
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#16
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Team Stats
Series Leaders (Counting Stats)
Goals:
Monahan - 2
Lindholm - 2
Bennett - 2
Backlund -2
Gaudreau - 2
Points:
Monahan - 6
Lindholm - 5
Lucic - 4
Mangiapane - 4
Bennett, Gaudreau, Backlund - 3
Hits:
Bennett - 22
Lindholm - 12
Lucic -12
Mangiapane - 11
Tkachuk - 11
Shots Blocked:
Giordano - 15
Brodie - 8
Forbort - 7
Andersson - 7
Lindholm - 6
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Only one player shows up in every one of the counting stats: Lindholm. He scores, hits, blocks shots, drives play, is responsible defensively, doesn't take penalties and shows up every game. He is criminally underrated around the league and the Flames are very lucky to have him.
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08-07-2020, 08:30 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
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Hamonic literally didn't show up for the playoffs. No way he is returning.
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08-07-2020, 08:53 PM
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#18
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Franchise Player
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Hanifin and Andersson is looking like a solid pairing, who can the Flames bring in to replace Brodie (I don't think he's re-signing)
Any chance Byfuglien comes back? Pair the old guys together.
Maybe if TReliving trades Gaudreau he can get Sanheim in the return, he's a LHD that plays the right side like Brodie is he not?
Just don't want the Hanifin-Andersson pairing broken up. A pair of 23 year olds both signed long term to sweet deals.
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08-07-2020, 10:31 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blankall
Forbert just looks steady and solid in his role.
Gus filled a need, with his big shot from the point...which is actually kind of crazy, as the Flames seemed loaded with offensive d-men a few years ago. Hamilton being traded and Gio taking a step back had left the team pretty depleted in that department.
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Re: Gus. It’s more than his shot, he’s quarter-backing our PP which has really changed since he’s joined. Our PP has been anemic forever and he brings the opportunity to slot Gio on PP2 where he’s a better fit. I feel like Gus brings a really interesting dynamic with Johnny that others weren’t able to fill.
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08-08-2020, 06:32 AM
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#20
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Draft Pick
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
It is definitely his worst trade, and honestly why I think he's a bit gun-shy when it comes to significant trades now.
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If he was a bit gun-shy about significant trades, why did he go out and make that Hamilton/Ferland/Fox for Lindholm/Hanafin trade the next offseason? That's a far more significant trade than the Hamonic deal.
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