Making a Murderer - NetFlix series

[Locke]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I just spent 5 mins trying to figure out why the owner of the Oilers would be sexting

Oh you missed the fun. Why would the owner of the Oilers be sexting a convicted murderer in the state of Wisconsin?

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh you missed the fun. Why would the owner of the Oilers be sexting a convicted murderer in the state of Wisconsin?

Chiarelli reaching the end of his leash already?

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh you missed the fun. Why would the owner of the Oilers be sexting a convicted murderer in the state of Wisconsin?

MacT is scouting the admirals?

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by devel

Ken Kratz is planning on writing a book to further prove Steven Avery's guilt, defend the justice system and speak for the real victim, Teresa Halbach.
making-a-murderer-da-ken-kratz-is-writing-a-tell-all-book/

It appears he was also trying to get Steven Avery to confess the details of the murder to him so he can have the glory of telling the whole story.

Steve had ONE chance to tell all the details to Kratz, but he didn't. Then he says contact me if you change your mind. What a bafoon.

Anyways, just finished it yesterday. My thinking is, he probably did it (70% sure) but the trial was a total f up. Because of that; Kratz, Len Kachinksy, 2 lead investigators, Lenk, Manitowoc County Sherriff, that other Deputy who received the call in 1995 should be behind bars too. Might have missed some one.

Brendan should be out, period. He does not have the mental capacity to deal with the situation. I can't believe that was allowed to happen. He should be in some rehab house. He might've had a part in it, but any involvement would've been on Steven's orders.

The story they tortured her in the trailer, then shot her in the garage, then burnt her. At some point put her in the Rav 4 as well. That's a lot of bad planning if this premeditated.

He was obsessed with her, with all the calls and insisting she come out to take pictures. That doesn't prove he killed her.

As others have asked, where is all the blood? If they burnt anything, wouldn't they still find some fibers or bedsheets and etc in the ashes?

Why about the tire tracks of the Rav 4? From where she parked it and where they found the vehicle?

Jodi, on the HLN interview says Steve forced her to say good things about them, she wasn't allowed to see him, that means this would've been said over the phone. All phone calls are recorded, I'm sure they listened to all his calls. Why wasn't this mentioned or is she simply now lying?

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My other theory is Theresa's brother, Mike Halbach, that was the spokesperson. He was just way too calm and collected.

He cracked the password on the voicemail but denied erasing any messages. The others got into her actual account to look at her history. As far as I remember, he was the only one who got into the voicemail. He could've potentially erased a huge clue.

He just seemed shady to me. Adamantly denying that anyone else had been on Avery property except the lady who was guided by God himself.

Anyways, I'm sure there's a lot cases like this all over the world. 3rd world countries, it's a surprise to find an honest cop so to have corrupt cops here is not hard to believe.

Kinda reminds me of Vic Mackey and his crew.

[dubc80]

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/02/29...n-justice-tour

"The defence lawyers for Steven Avery who were featured in the Netflix documentary series "Making A Murderer" are coming to Canada.
Dean Strang and Jerry Buting will stop in several cities on this side of the border as part of their "A Conversation on Justice Tour."

On July 30 they'll appear at Calgary's Southern Alberta Jubilee Auditorium and on July 31 they'll be at Edmonton's Northern Alberta Jubilee Auditorium.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Steve had ONE chance to tell all the details to Kratz, but he didn't. Then he says contact me if you change your mind. What a bafoon.

Anyways, just finished it yesterday. My thinking is, he probably did it (70% sure) but the trial was a total f up. Because of that; Kratz, Len Kachinksy, 2 lead investigators, Lenk, Manitowoc County Sherriff, that other Deputy who received the call in 1995 should be behind bars too. Might have missed some one.

Brendan should be out, period. He does not have the mental capacity to deal with the situation. I can't believe that was allowed to happen. He should be in some rehab house. He might've had a part in it, but any involvement would've been on Steven's orders.

The story they tortured her in the trailer, then shot her in the garage, then burnt her. At some point put her in the Rav 4 as well. That's a lot of bad planning if this premeditated.

He was obsessed with her, with all the calls and insisting she come out to take pictures. That doesn't prove he killed her.

As others have asked, where is all the blood? If they burnt anything, wouldn't they still find some fibers or bedsheets and etc in the ashes?

Why about the tire tracks of the Rav 4? From where she parked it and where they found the vehicle?

Jodi, on the HLN interview says Steve forced her to say good things about them, she wasn't allowed to see him, that means this would've been said over the phone. All phone calls are recorded, I'm sure they listened to all his calls. Why wasn't this mentioned or is she simply now lying?

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My other theory is Theresa's brother, Mike Halbach, that was the spokesperson. He was just way too calm and collected.

He cracked the password on the voicemail but denied erasing any messages. The others got into her actual account to look at her history. As far as I remember, he was the only one who got into the voicemail. He could've potentially erased a huge clue.

He just seemed shady to me. Adamantly denying that anyone else had been on Avery property except the lady who was guided by God himself.

Anyways, I'm sure there's a lot cases like this all over the world. 3rd world countries, it's a surprise to find an honest cop so to have corrupt cops here is not hard to believe.

Kinda reminds me of Vic Mackey and his crew.

I've dealt with police officers in a circumstances at trial, where they are clearly lying. It's not an issue of corruption so much. They aren't benefiting financially (at least not directly in the form of a payoff) from their testimony.

I think they honestly believe what they are doing is right by planting the evidence. They believed that Avery was guilty and wanted to make sure he was convicted. It's the same kind of mob mentality you see when people shame people on the internet. A lot of the police officers are of average intelligence at best. They are being selected for their ability to follow orders, not intelligence. So they end up becoming misguided and more focused on their goal of convicting the bad guy, instead of following the law.

There's also an element of ego in there too. They don't want to admit that they might be wrong. They need to push to get their guy and "win" the case.

[Bagor]

Just finished watching it. Agreed with all the thoughts here.

One thing that doesn't really add up for me though is Steven and Brendan's supposed approaches to disposing of the two key pieces of evidence, namely the body and the car.

Regarding bodily evidence. They have zero knowledge of forensics yet were so clever and meticulous that they are able to clean the garage and the bedroom and the area around the trailer so that there is zero trace of what you would expect to be copious body fluids from a bloody murder. Either very lucky or extremely careful.

The RAV4? Consider that the one thing they had knowledge more than most was cutting up and scrapping cars. Probably fair to say all they know.

So, having gone to all that trouble to clean up the bodily evidence in the garage and trailer there is the matter of disposing of the evidence that is the blood in the back of the vehicle.

They have the location and the tools and the knowledge available to burn the car, grind down the chassis, cut it up and crush it, thus disposing of the evidence. Or having a damn good go at it.

But what do they do? They decide to drive it to the side of the lot and cover it with a couple of branches?

[calf]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Just finished watching it. Agreed with all the thoughts here.

One thing that doesn't really add up for me though is Steven and Brendan's supposed approaches to disposing of the two key pieces of evidence, namely the body and the car.

Regarding bodily evidence. They have zero knowledge of forensics yet were so clever and meticulous that they are able to clean the garage and the bedroom and the area around the trailer so that there is zero trace of what you would expect to be copious body fluids from a bloody murder. Either very lucky or extremely careful.

The RAV4? Consider that the one thing they had knowledge more than most was cutting up and scrapping cars. Probably fair to say all they know.

So, having gone to all that trouble to clean up the bodily evidence in the garage and trailer there is the matter of disposing of the evidence that is the blood in the back of the vehicle.

They have the location and the tools and the knowledge available to burn the car, grind down the chassis, cut it up and crush it, thus disposing of the evidence. Or having a damn good go at it.

But what do they do? They decide to drive it to the side of the lot and cover it with a couple of branches?

I had the exact same questions...the way it was put to me is that we are thinking like rational, reasonable, intelligent adults. These guys are clearly not, so you can't attribute how you'd do things onto them. They very well could have put a lot of effort into the clean up in the garage, but didn't bother with the rest because they were too dumb to think it was important.

[polak]

Heard there was a new alibi in his case. Apparently phone records show that him and the victim were in separate places after the murder?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/steven...162313217.html

[Coach]

I just finished this. I feel like I came in pretty impartial. All I knew about it was that there was a desputed case and potential corruption. I had never heard of it before and actively avoided any talk on it before watching it.

What the f***? Like what the serious f***?

To be frank, even if Avery did do this, the evidence presented in the case, and the circumstances surrounding it, should have been enough to acquit him based on a reasonable doubt.

The conviction of Brendan absolutely floors me. How can you watch that confession and not realize this is a simple, scared kid just going along with the story.

Personally, I don't think Avery had anything to do with it, and Brenden, of course, not at all.

I thought the defense attornies, both for Avery and Brendan (after the first clown), were excellent. That DA is an absolute slimeball and I thought so before watching the last episode and hearing about the sexting BS as I just finished that now.

Seriously. What in the blue f***?

[Flaming Choy]

Season 2 is coming soon. Follow Avery post conviction and his new legal team.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/19/12...on-two-netflix

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flaming Choy

Season 2 is coming soon. Follow Avery post conviction and his new legal team.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/19/12...on-two-netflix

Good! I hope it results in some of those Cops and DAs going to prison. Or at least getting fired.

I cannot believe no action has been taken against that department.

Whatever your feelings or beliefs about Avery whether hes a good person or not, did it or not, whatever, I cannot imagine anyone can say that 'No Mistakes Were Made.'

He got railroaded the first time, it got proven, they got sued and not one officer or attorney got so much as disciplined leaving them in perfect positions of power to do it again!

Unreal. The Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department is the Edmonton Oilers of Law Enforcement.

Its as though the Oilers signed a player who could only score goals by throwing them into the net and hoping nobody noticed and when its determined that a huge mistake has been made you turn around and everyone has been promoted!

[sureLoss]

News Update

Brendan Dassey has had his conviction overturned:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniemc...kX#.fxyjXr06vJ

The court found Dassey’s confession in the murder of Teresa Halbach was involuntary under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments, according to court documents.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Brendan Dassey has had his conviction overturned:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniemc...kX#.fxyjXr06vJ

Jesus Christ you are a Robot.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

News Update

Brendan Dassey has had his conviction overturned:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniemc...kX#.fxyjXr06vJ

Wow. That must have been a tough debate.

[SportsJunky]

I'm glad it was overturned based on that confession. Having said that, I still think those two killed her.

[socalwingfan]

Just in time for Summer Slam

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I'm glad it was overturned based on that confession. Having said that, I still think those two killed her.

I know that all we have is from the documentary which favours the Avery family to some degree, but what makes you think that?

[MoneyGuy]

I've never seen this series. Is it still relevant/watchable given the changes that have occurred? I wonder if it might be updated with new events and findings.

[Jason14h]

I've never seen this series. Is it still relevant/watchable given the changes that have occurred? I wonder if it might be updated with new events and findings.

It doesn't really change anything. I suppose at the end they could do a text on black that says this happened!