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Old 06-13-2014, 06:53 AM   #541
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Thanks Acey. I am now conflicted, go out for beers and some world cup with buddies or be a total avgeek and try and catch the arrival?
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Thanks Acey. I am now conflicted, go out for beers and some world cup with buddies or be a total avgeek and try and catch the arrival?
Go to Kokos, then when its time for the 787 to land go over and be an avgeek. Best of both worlds.
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Thanks Acey. I am now conflicted, go out for beers and some world cup with buddies or be a total avgeek and try and catch the arrival?
Definitely be an avgeek. And take some pictures for the rest of us.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:23 AM   #544
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I'm having trouble finding this information. When will 96 Ave connect all the way from Deerfoot to Stoney Trail? It currently stops at 36 St NE, correct? Looks like it's only an additional 3 miles east to connect it to the existing Airport Trail/96 Ave NE.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:58 AM   #545
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I'm having trouble finding this information. When will 96 Ave connect all the way from Deerfoot to Stoney Trail? It currently stops at 36 St NE, correct? Looks like it's only an additional 3 miles east to connect it to the existing Airport Trail/96 Ave NE.
It will in the future, but in order to do so, two interchanges will have to be built over by the airport per the agreement between the airport authority and the city.
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Old 06-14-2014, 08:45 AM   #546
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Air Canada 787 flight plan to YYC filed, wooooooooooo!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...830Z/CYYZ/CYYC
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Ooooh I want to see this thing land so badly!
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:16 AM   #548
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If it's not too much trouble can someone explain how to read flight plans?

To me a flight plan is random letters and numbers. I'd love to know more.
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:24 AM   #549
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It's actually pretty Greek to me too, what I do know looking at that one is:

YQT is a VOR waypoint
J500 is an upper level airway that hits
the VLR VOR
then onto J515 to the
YQV VOR

A lot of the beginning and end of it are departure and arrival procedures if I am not mistaken.
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Looking at the International Facilities layout with respect to the existing terminal, won't the design limit future growth? I mean, what is wrong with the existing pier scheme? It just seems that if the airport ever had to expand again, instead of continuing to add to that side of the airport to eventually create a full semi-circle they are now going to have to build a whole new building.

Is there any best guess when YYC would reach capacity? Is YYC even at capacity now without the international facility?
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:32 AM   #551
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YYC hits capacity in the early morning and evening departure/arrival banks.

I do believe they can hammerhead the ends of the piers on the new terminal for future expansion.
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I didn't even think of hammerheading. Good call.
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If it's not too much trouble can someone explain how to read flight plans?

To me a flight plan is random letters and numbers. I'd love to know more.
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It's actually pretty Greek to me too, what I do know looking at that one is:

YQT is a VOR waypoint
J500 is an upper level airway that hits
the VLR VOR
then onto J515 to the
YQV VOR

A lot of the beginning and end of it are departure and arrival procedures if I am not mistaken.
AVSEP1 LITMO SSM YQT J500 VLR J515 YQV SHAWI Q874 BIRKO BIRKO2

This one is fairly different than YYZ-YYC flightplans I've seen before. But then again, I haven't played Flight Simulator in a long time.

AVSEP1 looks like it would be the SID, or standard instrument departure. There are complicated departure procedures at a lot of US airports, but in most cases at Canadian airports, the SID is just a procedure for climbing at runway heading to an initial altitude, say 5000 ft. I don't recognize AVSEP1, might be a new SID in Toronto. The most common one I remember for jets was the LESTER7, which was just fly runway heading to 5000 ft, and Departure Control would clear you higher from there.

The 5 letter waypoints are known as "fixes", or intersections I think. Typically points along an airway, which is my next point.

3 letter waypoints are VOR's, usually at airports. YQT is Thunder Bay if Im not mistaken, and SSM is Sault Saint Marie. SSM I recognize as a common waypoint from YYZ heading west.

Jxxx represents a high altitude airway...I guess you could say its the air equivalent of a highway. So this guy will take the J500 airway from Thunder Bay to whatever VLR is, Im not sure. Then J515 to YQV, again, I dont know where that VOR is. I dont know what Q airways are, must be something I was never exposed to. BIRKO will be the initial waypoint of the STAR, or Standard Terminal Arrival Route. This pilot will be flying the BIRKO2 star. It starts at BIRKO, and I think the 2 means its the 2nd revision, as they can change as the needs of the airport change. The STAR is a collection of waypoints that the pilot flies, and Approach Control will clear the pilot to lower and lower altitudes as he flies the STAR. There will be points where he'll have to cross a waypoint in the STAR at a certain altitude or speed.

Once he reaches the last point on the STAR, Approach will either vector (guide) him to final approach, or if its not busy, the STAR takes him right up until final. Then they hand off to Tower for landing clearance.

I know we have at least one pilot on CP. Please correct me wherever I'm wrong, my knowledge is rusty.

Hope that clears it up for you. I was typing fast so let me know if anything is unclear.

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Stealth22 pretty much nailed it.

AVSEP1 LITMO SSM YQT J500 VLR J515 YQV SHAWI Q874 BIRKO BIRKO2

AVSEP1 the departure procedure with LITMO as the transition or end point of the departure procedure. Then it's direct (no airway) to SSM (Sault St Marie) direct YQT join Jet 500 to VLR (Langruth) then Jet 515 to YQV (Yorkton) then direct SHAWI to join Q874 (this is an RNAV airway with no ground based points VOR/NDB) til BIRKO which is where they join up with the BIRKO RNAV STAR into CYYC

Check out this website. It should have those points and airways on the charts.

http://skyvector.com
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Any guess to which runway?
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Old 06-14-2014, 11:29 AM   #556
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Looking like 17R as of now, coming over Airdrie and landing southbound.
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Looking like 17R as of now, coming over Airdrie and landing southbound.
Winds are forecast to remain this way all day. So 17R is most likely what they would use.
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Old 06-14-2014, 01:05 PM   #559
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Just got back from doing the 8.4k on the new runway. I'm by no means up to speed with the aviation stuff, but the northern most tip of the runway (probably about 1km) is definitely sloped up a bit from the rest of it.

Wasn't really obvious until you were standing at that end, but when you looked down you definitely noticed the sloping.

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Other than that that it was a cool thing to do, great views of DT from there, and I finally had a chance to meet Mayor Nenshi as well. The wife and I also spoke with a reporter from the Calgary Sun, so it's possible my next media quote won't be listed as a 'local chat-board' comment.

Anyways here's some pics:
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She's coming...

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