Official (Alberta) Oil Discussion Thread

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You guys know you can disagree with these tribes politically without being racist dickheads, right?

What was the racist part?

[jayswin]

Haha wow, it's so weird how Canadians look down their noses at Americans for their racism towards blacks and Muslims yet don't even recognize when they're being racist towards Natives in Canada. It's kind of awkward, actually.

Yeah, the only thing worth protecting in their culture is smuggling weed and cigarettes. Can't find anything racist there!! Jesus, guys.

[burn_this_city]

It wasn't intended to be racist at all, I made the comment about the well known activities of that particular tribe. Most of the black market cigarettes in Ontario come from the Mohawk land straddling the border. You got me though PC principal.

[Flash Walken]

Ah, the old victim of politically correct speech.

Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

This is the most recent broad-based assessment of specific generating technology costs:

https://www.iea.org/Textbase/npsum/ElecCost2015SUM.pdf



Take a look at the wind numbers. If you believe the findings then wind looks to be right in line with competing generation technologies. Of course, this is an aggregate across many countries and the specific costs are, as you say, reliant on the local geography and wind resource.

However, it doesn't really stand to pass that wind is such a cost-outlier as you paint.

Oh look, Cowley Ridge is being de-commisioned and won't be rebuilt because *gasp* COST

http://calgaryherald.com/business/en...after-23-years


“TransAlta is very interested in repowering this site. Unfortunately, right now, it’s not economically feasible,” Wayne Oliver, operations supervisor for TransAlta’s wind operations in Pincher Creek and Fort Macleod, said in an interview.

“We’re anxiously waiting to see what incentives might come from our new government. . . . Alberta is an open market and the wholesale price when it’s windy is quite low, so there’s just not the return on investment in today’s situation. So, if there is an incentive, we’d jump all over that.”

That's EXACTLY what I said in my last post.

[Fuzz]

Funny, you think of those things as once you build them, they are good to go, but it sounds like they need lots of maintenance.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Ah, the old victim of politically correct speech.

Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers.

Yeah you're right, it's completely racist to be somewhat cynical about the motives and legitimacy of claims made by a tribe that runs grey market poker sites, illegal tobacco factories, and controls the major smuggling routes between Quebec, Ontario, and NY state. We should just take their claims at face value since anything else is steeped in long held racism.

[CliffFletcher]

How is criticizing the politics of the Mohawk reserve any different from criticizing, say, the politics of Montreal?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

Haven't seen this mentioned yet.



http://www.calgaryherald.com/mohawk+...410/story.html

So are these guys now also being played against Canadian pipeline development, in a similar manner as the BC First Nations have allegedly been propped up by foreign interests? Calling it a "threat to their way of life" seems a little stretched and far reaching.

I wouldn't say "being played' so much as "being paid". It worked very well in BC, so it is rather obvious that American interests would find further investment in screwing Canada over to be worth the money.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

How is criticizing the politics of the Mohawk reserve any different from criticizing, say, the politics of Montreal?

Because that's not at all what went on. I don't have a problem with criticizing their politics. Saying the only things in they're culture worth persevering in their culture are the criminal activities of some of their members and using that as sweeping generalization of all of them is racist.

[burn_this_city]

You guys sure extrapolate a lot out of my comment. It's hard to believe their politics aren't complicit in what goes on criminally. There's a long tradition of thumbing their nose at the US and Canadian governments by running all sorts of questionable money making schemes from their land.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Yeah you're right, it's completely racist to be somewhat cynical about the motives and legitimacy of claims made by a tribe that runs grey market poker sites, illegal tobacco factories, and controls the major smuggling routes between Quebec, Ontario, and NY state. We should just take their claims at face value since anything else is steeped in long held racism.

Yep, every single Mohawk is a shady criminal and as such should have their motives and culture questioned and denigrated based on the actions of a few. Totally not racist at all. Seriously? If I ran into a thread about Chinese-Canadians and made some comment about how the only thing in their culture worth saving is poor driving, or terrorism in a thread about Muslims we would be having the exact same conversation. Well actually probably not, because fortunately for those groups racism isn't as acceptable towards them.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Saying the only things in they're culture worth persevering in their culture are the criminal activities of some of their members and using that as sweeping generalization of all of them is racist.

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

It's hard to believe their politics aren't complicit in what goes on criminally. There's a long tradition of thumbing their nose at the US and Canadian governments by running all sorts of questionable money making schemes from their land.

Guys, you're both right. It's not one way or the other.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yep, every single Mohawk is a shady criminal and as such should have their motives and culture questioned and denigrated based on the actions of a few. Totally not racist at all. Seriously? If I ran into a thread about Chinese-Canadians and made some comment about how the only thing in their culture worth saving is poor driving, or terrorism in a thread about Muslims we would be having the exact same conversation. Well actually probably not, because fortunately for those groups racism isn't as acceptable towards them.

I guess I have a hard time separating the political leaders of the tribe who are pushing the anti pipeline agenda that are same people who run the illegal/grey market activities from their lands.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I guess I have a hard time separating the political leaders of the tribe who are pushing the anti pipeline agenda that are same people who run the illegal/grey market activities from their lands.

Sure. So criticize the leaders for being corrupt and criminal. Don't equate corrupt and criminal to culture.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Sure. So criticize the leaders for being corrupt and criminal. Don't equate corrupt and criminal to culture.

That's what I was doing.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

It wasn't intended to be racist at all, I made the comment about the well known activities of that particular tribe. Most of the black market cigarettes in Ontario come from the Mohawk land straddling the border. You got me though PC principal.

Why do you even bother? Obviously your intention wasn't to be racist. FYI Dave chappelle did a skit on aboriginals selling weed and nobody blinked an eye.
Why don't people ask you to elaborate on your point instead of jumping to conclusions?

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You guys know you can disagree with these tribes politically without being racist dickheads, right?

#thetriggering

Is there a safe space for these sensitive souls to go?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Haha wow, it's so weird how Canadians look down their noses at Americans for their racism towards blacks and Muslims yet don't even recognize when they're being racist towards Natives in Canada. It's kind of awkward, actually.

Yeah, the only thing worth protecting in their culture is smuggling weed and cigarettes. Can't find anything racist there!! Jesus, guys.

I think it is pretty obvious that all mockery is directed towards the contrived outrage of the band leadership. Clearly, First Nations have a distinct type of culture that still resonates, and indeed, is probably going through some kind of revival. However, it only takes someone with eyes to see and ears to hear to know that these kinds of threats are only done with the sole purpose of getting an extra bit of cash - either through directly blackmailing industry or creating some kind of public outcry that will attract government attention, and hopefully, grant money.

[northcrunk]

FYI the only one calling all mohawks criminals is Rubecube. Burns comment had nothing to do with lumping everyone into one group but it suits your argument much more if he did so you can play the "don't be a racist card". Bloody SJWs.