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Old 10-20-2020, 04:53 PM   #61
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If we're targeting expensive veteran centres from rebuilding teams, give me Anze Kopitar every day of the week.
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Old 10-20-2020, 04:59 PM   #62
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Kopitar and Toews are fairly comparable.

Toews is a year younger and has a year less on his contract. Obviously is more likely to be available.

Over the last 2 seasons he has scored 141pts in 152 games
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Send them both home.

Toews to Winnipeg and Kane to Buffalo
Laine for Toews actually makes a lot of sense to me.
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Old 10-20-2020, 05:36 PM   #64
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Laine for Toews actually makes a lot of sense to me.
Why would the Jets do that? Toews is 10 years older and makes 10.5M
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Laine for Toews actually makes a lot of sense to me.
Chicago has to add Dylan Strome to that if they want a decade of Laine, IMO.
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Old 10-20-2020, 06:42 PM   #66
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Why would the Jets do that? Toews is 10 years older and makes 10.5M
Well not straight up, but Laine rumours keep swirling around and why wouldn’t you bring back a high end local centre with winning running through him?
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Now watch them be one of the winners of the next 2 draft lotteries. Worked for the Rangers.
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I didn't realize Kane and Toews only had 3 years left on their contracts. I thought it was closer to 5 years, so I could see someone picking up Kane. Toews is really overpaid though
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Old 10-20-2020, 07:40 PM   #69
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So the Oilers got knocked out of playoff contention in 4 games by a team that just announced a rebuild that hasn’t made any significant moves this off season.

Everything leads to E=NG
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I kind of like the Hawks being honest about it. The whole point is to win the Cup. If you're not competitive enough you have to do something about it, it's better than being mediocre and hoping for the best and not getting anywhere. Good for them.
Yeah, but it is a MUCH easier proposition after three championships than without.

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Toews is my target. I'd give 1st 2021 and any of prospect they want+Bennett if Chicago retain some salary.
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Old 10-20-2020, 11:01 PM   #72
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Kane feels more like a future ranger, but Strome+Kakko+ for Toews would make a lot of sense.
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Old 10-20-2020, 11:14 PM   #73
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So many posts earlier in this thread involving retained salary.

I find spending time working off of that assumption to be, well, kind of silly
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Old 10-20-2020, 11:19 PM   #74
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Well why wouldn’t Chicago retain salary on their biggest contracts to make them more desirable and in return stock their cupboards with more picks and prospects?

Kane at 8.5 or 9 mill AAV for the next 3 years is more palatable than 10.5 no doubt and GM’s might be willing to pay the fee in top prospects and or picks if they feel Kane, Toews or Keith push them over the top.
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So many posts earlier in this thread involving retained salary.

I find spending time working off of that assumption to be, well, kind of silly
3 x 10.5 for Toews is too rich. They have to retain on that deal.

Kane, almost worth it but considering they’ll have plenty of cap room why not retain to increase your return, widen your buyers group to provide more choice and create a bidding war.
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Well why wouldn’t Chicago retain salary on their biggest contracts to make them more desirable and in return stock their cupboards with more picks and prospects?

Kane at 8.5 or 9 mill AAV for the next 3 years is more palatable than 10.5 no doubt and GM’s might be willing to pay the fee in top prospects and or picks if they feel Kane, Toews or Keith push them over the top.

Teams eating salary is, well, rare

People are saying 50% retained. Imagine a team eating $5 M on Kane and facing him in the playoffs. Yeah

Look. If it happens I will issue a sincere apology
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Teams eating salary is, well, rare

People are saying 50% retained. Imagine a team eating $5 M on Kane and facing him in the playoffs. Yeah

Look. If it happens I will issue a sincere apology
Eating salary is rare?

https://www.capfriendly.com/retained...y-transactions

Eating celery is rare.
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Flames going all in on Kane would be so nice to see I can’t even begin to say. And I get that ‘he wouldn’t waive to play in western Canada yada yada yada’ argument but the guy is on record for saying how much he digs Gaudreau and I think Kane still wants to win and could be that big final piece to the core and especially the top 6.

Trade

Rittich + Hanifin + Ryan + Pelletier + 2021 1st + 2022 2nd (about 10 mill out)

For

Kane (2.5 mill retained) + Carpenter (9 mill in)

Gaudreau - Monahan - Kane
Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Mangiapane - Bennett - Dube
Lucic - Nordstrom - Carpenter
Robinson/Gawdin

Giordano - Andersson
Valimaki - Tanev
Mackey - Kylington
Yelesin

Markstrom
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Eating salary is rare?

https://www.capfriendly.com/retained...y-transactions

Eating celery is rare.

Nice query, how much thought did you put in to its results?

There are 8 active contracts with retained salary.

There were 13 retentions from Feb 2020, of which only one is an active contract. David Backes. Not stuff carried in to future years

2 Chicago just recently retained on. How much dead salary do you think they want to eat?

Like I say, I will issue a now half hearted apology when it happens


More importantly, since when the hell is eating celery rare?
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Flames going all in on Kane would be so nice to see I can’t even begin to say. And I get that ‘he wouldn’t waive to play in western Canada yada yada yada’ argument but the guy is on record for saying how much he digs Gaudreau and I think Kane still wants to win and could be that big final piece to the core and especially the top 6.

Trade

Rittich + Hanifin + Ryan + Pelletier + 2021 1st + 2022 2nd (about 10 mill out)

For

Kane (2.5 mill retained) + Carpenter (9 mill in)

Gaudreau - Monahan - Kane
Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Mangiapane - Bennett - Dube
Lucic - Nordstrom - Carpenter
Robinson/Gawdin

Giordano - Andersson
Valimaki - Tanev
Mackey - Kylington
Yelesin

Markstrom
Zagidulin
Valimaki, Mackey and Yelesin are rookies and Kylington is almost one. And Markstrom needs rest in a compressed schedule.
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