[News Roundup] CSEC/City arena deal UPDATED: Third Party Facilitator

[mac_82]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I still think the ideal location would be 2 blocks further north than currently planned - between 11 Ave and the CP tracks (Remington lot, that is/has been paved for Stampede parking as part of this deal).

Design an outdoor concourse that crosses the CP tracks and it would be right across the street from Bell NMC.

1 block from two existing parkades. 2 blocks to red and blue lines. 1 block to green line. Lots of parking to the south.

The Green Line station will be on 11ave between 5st and 6st SE according to their plans. And as of the 2018 Calgary-Bow Valley mass transit study, the piece of land on the north side of the tracks south of the Bell NMC is owned by Alberta Transportation for a future train station (Edmonton-Calgary).

If I had to bet $20 on where a downtown "central station" would be for Green line/Calgary-Edmonton line/Calgary-YYC/Calgary-Banff, this would be it. It would be nice to go full TD Garden and build the arena above a train station, but I doubt the timing lines up.

[djsFlames]

Edwards' pull out game is elite.

Like a 95 on ownerdb.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by TheChief

I dont live in Calgary and I only go to about 5 games on average a year but I personally like the Dome. The tickets are already high enough for a weekend game without factoring in the "new arena" price tag.



I think the Dome would be fine with a few tasteful renovations, mainly re configuring of the concourse and providing more bathrooms to patrons seems a shame to demolish it for something a little newer and fancier with less seats and more boxes. Prices out the average fan.

The biggest challenge I think would be extending the life of the roof. Once that starts to show any issues you need a new building. What’s concrete life for exposed systems? 50-60 years?

[sureLoss]

Calgary Herald reporting CSEC still hasn't given written notice that they have pulled out of the arena deal

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...inished-source

[SaskyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Calgary Herald reporting CSEC still hasn't given written notice that they have pulled out of the arena deal

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...inished-source

Also interesting in there is the quote around the city still needing an event centre and wondering who will be their partner. I don’t live there so obviously don’t pay taxes, but I find it hard to believe they don’t figure this out. A little cooling off period, back channel conversations and rationale thoughts prevail.

Or maybe they are both too stubborn and blow the whole thing up. Doesn’t make much sense to an outsider but what do I know.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by TheChief

I dont live in Calgary and I only go to about 5 games on average a year but I personally like the Dome. The tickets are already high enough for a weekend game without factoring in the "new arena" price tag.



I think the Dome would be fine with a few tasteful renovations, mainly re configuring of the concourse and providing more bathrooms to patrons seems a shame to demolish it for something a little newer and fancier with less seats and more boxes. Prices out the average fan.

There isn't really any room to expand the Saddledome, and doing anything to the building that doesn't fix the roof problem, would be wasted money.


Also, the new building is going to have about half as many suites as the Saddledome, not more.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by SaskyFlamesFan

Also interesting in there is the quote around the city still needing an event centre and wondering who will be their partner. I don’t live there so obviously don’t pay taxes, but I find it hard to believe they don’t figure this out. A little cooling off period, back channel conversations and rationale thoughts prevail.

Or maybe they are both too stubborn and blow the whole thing up. Doesn’t make much sense to an outsider but what do I know.

This is all posturing over dollars, it will get done.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by mac_82

The Green Line station will be on 11ave between 5st and 6st SE according to their plans. And as of the 2018 Calgary-Bow Valley mass transit study, the piece of land on the north side of the tracks south of the Bell NMC is owned by Alberta Transportation for a future train station (Edmonton-Calgary).

If I had to bet $20 on where a downtown "central station" would be for Green line/Calgary-Edmonton line/Calgary-YYC/Calgary-Banff, this would be it. It would be nice to go full TD Garden and build the arena above a train station, but I doubt the timing lines up.

It could be designed in a way to accommodate that...the north side wouldn't really be part of the main arena, but more of a pedestrian friendly way to bridge the CP tracks (kinda like Palliser/Calgary Tower and Gulf Canada Square do with parking lots on the south side).

Designing that corridor for efficient access/egress of both pedestrians and vehicles would be key for both.

Street level activation would probably make the most sense on that north side...a restaurant/pub and small retail could easily tie in to a rail station.

[cral12]

can't believe i actually listened thru it, but eric francis with insufferable take on the arena deal on the FAN960 on commute home...minutes of my life I'll never get back...

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by cral12

can't believe i actually listened thru it, but eric francis with insufferable take on the arena deal on the FAN960 on commute home...minutes of my life I'll never get back...

If there's a more pretentious individual who enjoys unearned privilege than him I'd be shocked.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Goriders

If anything kills the new building it’s the endless printing of money in Ottawa.

Devalued dollar = inflation. As some have said up to 20% on projects. The owners don’t want to eat that.

It’ll be no deal or a new deal. They are just playing chicken with Gronden.

Oh man, the hot takes coming from you are beyond hilarious.
So, first you are mad because the City doesn’t want to pony up more cash for the project (bunch of lefties!)
Then you are mad because the Federal Government is ponying up money for projects (bunch of lefties!)

Pick a lane! Since when did Fiscal responsibility become another evil brought on by the "wokes".

Give your head a shake and recognize your bias before you try to ‘debate’. There’s a seat at the kids table for you. Scoot along now.

[Gemnoble]

What's boggling my mind is the city and ownership living in a fairytale thinking this Arena gets built for less then a billion dollars.

No chance the doors open for less then that, everyone knows it.

Another factor here is with a new Arena we have to be on a short list for an NBA team, how is that not garnering more discussion.

[Kasi]

Why would Calgary ever be on any list for NBA teams considering it failed in Vancouver. There is plenty more US markets that they’d expand to or double up on before going to Calgary. NBA coming to Calgary is about as realistic as NHL going back to Quebec City.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Why would Calgary ever be on any list for NBA teams considering it failed in Vancouver. There is plenty more US markets that they’d expand to or double up on before going to Calgary. NBA coming to Calgary is about as realistic as NHL going back to Quebec City.

The NBA in Calgary is as likely as the NHL in El Paso or Tucson.

[Kasi]

Yeah I was probably overstating things. Calgary will never get an NBA team.

[getbak]

I think there are at least a half a dozen NHL markets in the US that don't currently have NBA teams who would be ahead of Calgary on any expansion lists. Even in Canada, Montreal and a return to Vancouver are more-likely than Calgary.

Nashville, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Columbus, Seattle, and Vegas are all more-likely to get an NBA expansion team.

Plus, there are other cities with no NBA or NHL teams that would likely be ahead of Calgary if they built new arenas of their own like San Diego, Baltimore, Kansas City (new arena already in place), Cincinnati, or Austin (which is the largest US city with no major league teams).


The NBA isn't coming to Calgary any time soon.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Toronto has a hard enough time attracting NBA talent, the most cosmopolitan city in the country. And the 2nd most desirable city had a team for a whole 6 years before they had to cut bait. Absolutely zero chance that league ever considers another Canadian expansion team

[getbak]

They're probably more likely to expand to Mexico than add another team to Canada.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Oh man, the hot takes coming from you are beyond hilarious.
So, first you are mad because the City doesn’t want to pony up more cash for the project (bunch of lefties!)
Then you are mad because the Federal Government is ponying up money for projects (bunch of lefties!)

Pick a lane! Since when did Fiscal responsibility become another evil brought on by the "wokes".

Give your head a shake and recognize your bias before you try to ‘debate’. There’s a seat at the kids table for you. Scoot along now.

What are you talking about. I was mad because the feds are printing money like drunken sailers and devaluing the dollar. Thus inflating the cost of everything. Including the arena.

I wasn’t debating anyone either. I don’t think you can actually debate that anyway.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Toronto has a hard enough time attracting NBA talent, the most cosmopolitan city in the country. And the 2nd most desirable city had a team for a whole 6 years before they had to cut bait. Absolutely zero chance that league ever considers another Canadian expansion team

Never say never. Basketball has grown tremendously in the country in the past two decades (especially thanks to the ethnic demograph), and there was management issues why Vancouver was an absolute failure. If I recall things correctly, it wasn't given too much of a chance to succeed.

The NBA in Vancouver and Montreal in the futur isn't a pipedream.