Countries/government are not businesses, and trying to run them as such generally leads to policy decisions that tend to further disenfranchise poor and marginalized peoples.
To the max. We definitely suffer from that attitude down here in the states.
I would further say that in so many of these cases when they are born wealthy and achieve success they get that feeling they hit a triple but really they were already born on third base. So they think they have all this experience, expertise, etc and really all they had was an enormous head start. That leads to the person believing bad policy and surrounding themselves with the same enablers that got them there.
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This individual is not affluent and more of a member of that shrinking middle class. It is likely the individual does not have a high paying job, is limited on benefits, and has to make due with those benefits provided by employer.
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To the max. We definitely suffer from that attitude down here in the states.
I would further say that in so many of these cases when they are born wealthy and achieve success they get that feeling they hit a triple but really they were already born on third base. So they think they have all this experience, expertise, etc and really all they had was an enormous head start. That leads to the person believing bad policy and surrounding themselves with the same enablers that got them there.
People who think Governments should be run like businesses....I want to slap them in the face.
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I didn't suggest a country should be run like a business. I said there is skilletsets in a successful business person that may overlap to successful governance.
A country is not a business but it's naive to suggest there's no overlaps.
There are trade agreements, financial planning, rules, laws & controls, management of large projects & infrastructure, trying to grow the economy/GDP.
Many things that function similarly to large businesses.
Business success and wealth do not necessarily imply competence in things like financial management, understanding rules and laws, or infrastructure development etc. Richard Branson couldn't read a P&L until his companies were already making billions. Kanye West was a billionaire (until this week) despite being a severely brain damaged individual.
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Business success and wealth do not necessarily imply competence in things like financial management, understanding rules and laws, or infrastructure development etc. Richard Branson couldn't read a P&L until his companies were already making billions. Kanye West was a billionaire (until this week) despite being a severely brain damaged individual.
100% agree.
The initial tweet implied the opposite; that a rich person couldn't possibly govern well to the populous.
I'm only stating that they shouldn't be getting the job or not getting the job based on them being rich.
They may have skills from the business world that are helpful (which I've detailed) or they may not (which you've detailed).
The Tweet saying he's too rich to make tough decisions for the working class and someone saying Kanye should be in government because he's rich & financially successful would both be stupid.
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It's hilarious and fantastic in some ways that 75 years after Indian independence Britain has a PM with an Indian background who is richer than all the rest of parliament, but yeah, a Goldman-Stanford guy is pretty similar to an Eton-Oxford guy. That doesn't make him bad, but it does make him part of the global elite class that typically has more in common with the rich from NYC, Singapore, Mumbai, etc. than with anyone in the UK outside of London, or even with most of the people in London.
Yep there's an Hindu PM that is richer than most of the Lords and the King himself. At the same time, Indian companies own most of the luxury British brands like Jaguar, Land Rover, etc. Reverse British empire continues.
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100% agree.
The initial tweet implied the opposite; that a rich person couldn't possibly govern well to the populous.
I'm only stating that they shouldn't be getting the job or not getting the job based on them being rich.
They may have skills from the business world that are helpful (which I've detailed) or they may not (which you've detailed).
The Tweet saying he's too rich to make tough decisions for the working class and someone saying Kanye should be in government because he's rich & financially successful would both be stupid.
Yeah, him being rich alone doesn't imply he will be a bad leader.
On the whole, I like that someone with his origin has reached the point he has, even if the process of climbing the ladder to that point may be the kind of process that makes it easy to be skeptical of his values. That's true of most politicians at that level though.
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I didn't suggest a country should be run like a business. I said there is skilletsets in a successful business person that may overlap to successful governance.
A country is not a business but it's naive to suggest there's no overlaps.
There are trade agreements, financial planning, rules, laws & controls, management of large projects & infrastructure, trying to grow the economy/GDP.
Many things that function similarly to large businesses.
Yeah…on trade agreements. We benefitted from a pretty good trade agreement that gave us frictionless trade with 27 of our closest neighbours.
No prizes for guessing what Sunak’s position on that was.
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Theoretically there's no reason why wealthy businessmen couldn't make good politicians.
In practice though, their track record tends to be kind of terrible.
The main issues tend to be
1. trying to run a government like a business, which is just wrong and bad and leads to incredibly stupid things
2. poor co-operation skills: these people are used to being The Boss and tend to be really bad at negotiating or understanding conflicting interests and points of view
3. they're usually super easily corrupted, because they're oriented towards personal wealth rather than public service oriented
4. cronyism and elitism; they tend to be wealthy people who like to surround themselves with people like themselves (or yes-men)
5. Dunning-Krugerism; these are people who tend to believe that they'll make good politicians because they're good businessmen, and that they already have all the necessary skills and understanding because *go back to they're good businessmen*.
6. Often lifelong detachment from how most people love. These people were usually born rich.
I'm sure there's plenty of exceptions, but for the most part I would argue that businessmen tend to be just really bad politicians.
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It's just bull#### though, none of it is possible short of the UK becoming some sort of N Korea pariah state gunning down migrants in the water or shooting them back to France in massive cannons, the last PM negotiated a deal to send a 1000 migrants to Rwanda at a cost of 140 million and the UK had to take almost as many refugees from Rwanda as it sent as part of the deal
These are just all desperate attempts to con the right wing voters into believing that
a) the Tories give a ####
b) they will do something
c) that the UK actually has any power in this
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Brexit: Bizarre Tory denials on food shortages amid turnip cherishing
It seems right now that those in the UK Government who are refusing to accept that Brexit has any part in the UK’s embarrassing, miserable and unacceptable fresh food shortages doth protest too much.
We must also surely attach weight to the pictures posted on social media of supermarket shelves elsewhere in Europe heaving with fresh fruit and vegetables. These pictures have contrasted most starkly with what shoppers in the UK are seeing when they walk into stores, and with rationing by some food retailers.
As many shoppers in the UK struggled to find fresh produce, Ms Coffey said on Thursday last week: “It is important to make sure that we cherish our specialisms in this country. Many people would be eating turnips right now rather than thinking necessarily about lettuce, tomatoes and similar.”
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