Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > The Off Topic Forum > Tech Talk
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-09-2022, 12:04 PM   #1421
Hemi-Cuda
wins 10 internets
 
Hemi-Cuda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: slightly to the left
Exp:
Default

I think this is the worst design failure I've ever seen in an automobile. I can't believe people are paying premium prices for these things



And yes, that manual door release hatch will break the window

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...charge-2022-12
Hemi-Cuda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2022, 12:37 PM   #1422
Wormius
Franchise Player
 
Wormius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Somewhere down the crazy river.
Exp:
Default

I don’t understand why anyone would want that level of integration of the electronics such that the car can BSoD on you. Honestly, battery + drivetrain. All that other crap that can render the car completely inoperable is just dumb.
Wormius is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2022, 03:36 PM   #1423
ripTDR
Crash and Bang Winger
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Exp:
Default

Is this the future of what car companies are going after?


https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...-1200-dollars/


Quote:
Mercedes will soon offer an annual subscription to owners of its electric EQ models that lets them unlock additional power and quicker acceleration. It only costs $1200 plus tax. Every year. Welcome to the future
ripTDR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2022, 02:05 PM   #1424
Erick Estrada
Franchise Player
 
Erick Estrada's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ripTDR View Post
Is this the future of what car companies are going after?


https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...-1200-dollars/
Tesla's been doing this for years.
Erick Estrada is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2022, 03:04 PM   #1425
PeteMoss
Franchise Player
 
PeteMoss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ripTDR View Post
Is this the future of what car companies are going after?


https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...-1200-dollars/
That seems like a smart thing to offer as a subscription since only rich people would ever actual pay it.

When they start doing things like pay $100/month for Air conditioning or something - then I will get riled up.
PeteMoss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2022, 03:26 PM   #1426
Bring_Back_Shantz
Franchise Player
 
Bring_Back_Shantz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: In my office, at the Ministry of Awesome!
Exp:
Default

I would like to caveat this by first saying I think subscriptions for car features are absolutely stupid, and I would actually get behind making them illegal.

Now, devil's advocate time.
I can see a POSSIBLY valid argument for the pay up for more power subscription.
An increase in power would put more load on the battery and motors, and while the car is under warranty, that could make it more prone to failures that are covered on that warranty. So the argument could be made that you're paying a premium because you're adding some risk to Mercedes that you'll be in for an expensive fix.

The obvious counter argument is that, if that is the case, then it should be a one time payment to unlock it, not a yearly subscription, and once the car is off warranty, anyone should be able to do it for free. Absent of those options, it's 100% a scam, but if they gave you those options, I would begrudgingly say "Okay, despite being stupid, this does make some sense".

But again. THIS IS STUPID.
If I went to a dealership and they explained this subscription to me, there is a non-zero chance I would walk away from the car completely and go by something else.
__________________
THE SHANTZ WILL RISE AGAIN.
<-----Check the Badge bitches. You want some Awesome, you come to me!
Bring_Back_Shantz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2022, 03:35 PM   #1427
DoubleF
Franchise Player
 
DoubleF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Exp:
Default

The extra fee to "over clock a vehicle" (for a lack of a better term) if the manufacturer will continue to honor the warranty even with this added strain IMO, is fair.

Nickel and diming buyers on things actually installed that does not harm the vehicle and is not a service is dumb. Like heated seats.
DoubleF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2022, 04:43 PM   #1428
photon
The new goggles also do nothing.
 
photon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Even just framing it better makes it better.

Pay $50,000 for your Surprizame 500.. pay $1200 extra to upgrade to a Surprizame 500 Ankh Edition to get 50 extra hp and update your warranty to cover the additional risk.

They even ship you a little ankh to put on your car.
__________________
Uncertainty is an uncomfortable position.
But certainty is an absurd one.
photon is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to photon For This Useful Post:
Old 12-14-2022, 08:00 AM   #1429
Bring_Back_Shantz
Franchise Player
 
Bring_Back_Shantz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: In my office, at the Ministry of Awesome!
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleF View Post
The extra fee to "over clock a vehicle" (for a lack of a better term) if the manufacturer will continue to honor the warranty even with this added strain IMO, is fair.

Nickel and diming buyers on things actually installed that does not harm the vehicle and is not a service is dumb. Like heated seats.
100% agree.
Charging for heated seats, or whatever, is stupid, and I honestly think in a lot of cases should be illegal.
__________________
THE SHANTZ WILL RISE AGAIN.
<-----Check the Badge bitches. You want some Awesome, you come to me!
Bring_Back_Shantz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Bring_Back_Shantz For This Useful Post:
Old 12-15-2022, 11:59 AM   #1430
Hemi-Cuda
wins 10 internets
 
Hemi-Cuda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: slightly to the left
Exp:
Default

Apparently Tesla didn't speak with any actual truckers before designing their new semi

https://cdllife.com/2022/tesla-semis...-trucker-says/
Hemi-Cuda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2022, 03:23 PM   #1431
ripTDR
Crash and Bang Winger
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada View Post
Tesla's been doing this for years.

I would have to disagree


Tesla already offers a well spec'd out car, (even the single motor) performance wise in the dual motor long range. It's already fast with a great profile. They offer a slight performance upgrade for a one time fee.


Meanwhile Mercedes is asking you to pay a annual subscription yearly to unlock the already there performance of the vehicle. The base cost of their sedan is 145k.
ripTDR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2022, 03:25 PM   #1432
ripTDR
Crash and Bang Winger
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda View Post
Apparently Tesla didn't speak with any actual truckers before designing their new semi

https://cdllife.com/2022/tesla-semis...-trucker-says/

Or just one trucker...cause ya know, the article just talks about one polish trucker
ripTDR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2022, 05:25 PM   #1433
powderjunkie
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Exp:
Default

Gonna be tougher to pick up lot lizards with that design.

NSFW!



Seriously though I'm sure half of those ideas are crap, and the other half might have potential. More tech could solve/improve a lot of those complaints (mirrors, overtaking sightlines, etc), but hard to say what would most sensibly move the needle.
powderjunkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2022, 10:19 PM   #1434
Hack&Lube
Atomic Nerd
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Now this is a well designed EV commercial vehicle. It makes me almost want to moonlight as an Amazon delivery dude in my spare time.

Hack&Lube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2022, 09:11 AM   #1435
JagrBombs68
Draft Pick
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hack&Lube View Post
Now this is a well designed EV commercial vehicle. It makes me almost want to moonlight as an Amazon delivery dude in my spare time.



did they put a Toilet in it?
JagrBombs68 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2022, 11:21 AM   #1436
Wormius
Franchise Player
 
Wormius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Somewhere down the crazy river.
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JagrBombs68 View Post
did they put a Toilet in it?

It would be funny if they integrated some kind of urine purification system. “Good news, drivers! Free water!”
Wormius is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2022, 09:01 PM   #1437
para transit fellow
Scoring Winger
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hack&Lube View Post
Now this is a well designed EV commercial vehicle. It makes me almost want to moonlight as an Amazon delivery dude in my spare time.

It seems like it might be the right dimensions for a small community shuttle if they could knock some windows into it and put maybe six seats in.
para transit fellow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2022, 01:33 PM   #1438
photon
The new goggles also do nothing.
 
photon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

This seems ambitious:

Quote:
The Canadian government has announced enforceable quotas for zero-emission vehicle sales. By 2026, a fifth of all new passenger cars, trucks and SUVs sold in the country will need to be zero-emission models, such as electric or hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.
https://www.engadget.com/canada-zero...6.html?src=rss
__________________
Uncertainty is an uncomfortable position.
But certainty is an absurd one.
photon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2022, 01:48 PM   #1439
edslunch
Franchise Player
 
edslunch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by photon View Post

Are the car companies aligned with this? California requires 35% in 2026, so it will happen.

Are utilities aligned with this? It doesn’t seem like it. Whose responsibility is this?
edslunch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2022, 05:32 PM   #1440
DoubleK
Franchise Player
 
DoubleK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
Exp:
Default

Utilities are very aligned on EVs and EV charging. The demand from EV charging is about as flexible as it gets.
__________________
It's only game. Why you heff to be mad?
DoubleK is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to DoubleK For This Useful Post:
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:39 AM.

Calgary Flames
2023-24




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021