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View Poll Results: What do you think of the trade after a week of getting your head around it?
Love it, think Lucic is an upgrade 83 13.37%
Like it, clears some cap space even if Lucic is no better 195 31.40%
Indifferent, both teams getting a failed project 187 30.11%
Dislike it, Neal needed another year to bounce back 107 17.23%
Hate it, Neal will be better in Edmonton 49 7.89%
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Old 03-19-2020, 04:06 PM   #3721
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I think it's a little audacious to say there's no chance the league looks into this four posts after a TSN link that says they will possibly look at it, Rando

If he missed substantial time to injury, that's a completely different circumstance. But the whole league shut down for non-hockey-related reasons, 85% of the way through the season. That's a completely unique scenario that needs to be considered when dealing with these types of trades and bonuses.
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Old 03-19-2020, 04:09 PM   #3722
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I think it's a little audacious to say there's no chance the league looks into this four posts after a TSN link that says they will possibly look at it, Rando

If he missed substantial time to injury, that's a completely different circumstance. But the whole league shut down for non-hockey-related reasons, 85% of the way through the season. That's a completely unique scenario that needs to be considered when dealing with these types of trades and bonuses.
Fully seemed like a Seravelli special there. Just media talk.
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Old 03-19-2020, 05:21 PM   #3723
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On TSN Frank Servalli did say there are questions on whether the league would consider pro-rating the conditions on the pick with respect to the Neal-Lucic trade:
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider...amount~1925479


Also brought up compensatory picks as a possible solution to some of these conditional trades. Which I would assume that mean the Oilers get to keep their 3rd and league gives the Flames another pick.
That would be ridiculous too.

How do we know Lucic wouldn't have scored 6 goals in the last dozen games?

You can't pro-rate hockey stats. They don't occur consistently enough.
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Old 03-19-2020, 06:57 PM   #3724
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It looks like those of us advocating to sell sell sell at the deadline (Brodie, etc.) were almost certainly 100% correct.

LOL Canucks.
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Old 03-19-2020, 08:03 PM   #3725
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That would be ridiculous too.

How do we know Lucic wouldn't have scored 6 goals in the last dozen games?

You can't pro-rate hockey stats. They don't occur consistently enough.
Because he's 31 year old Milan Lucic.
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Old 03-19-2020, 10:56 PM   #3726
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I could see a compliance buyout or two allowed with the hit the cap is gonna take...this debate might not go on as long as we first thought
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Old 03-20-2020, 06:23 AM   #3727
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not sure why people think the flames should be compensated because of league shutdown? Maybe i'm in the minority, but i don't think Neal would have gotten those 2 goals if they had played all the games. Neal was playing on the 4th line and getting 2nd PP time. Considering the Oilers for the most part, they just use their 1st pp unit, it was looking bleak.

Also wasn't one of the conditions that he also had to have out scored Lucic by 10? Think there was just as much chance, if not better chance, Lucic got to 11 before Neal got to 21.
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Old 03-20-2020, 07:07 AM   #3728
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Bottom line on the trade, Lucic had more points than Neal had for us last year playing the same role. Lucic was better in ever measurable statistic, and that was with the team playing no where near as well as they did last year. Would do trade again.
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Old 03-20-2020, 10:22 AM   #3729
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I could see a compliance buyout or two allowed with the hit the cap is gonna take...this debate might not go on as long as we first thought
I see this too, and a Lucic buyout is cheaper than a Neal buyout.

If Lucic is bought out, I'd actually love to seem him re-signed for 2 million x 3 years. I doubt he'd stick around though. He's probably heading back to the West Coast in the event of a buyout.
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I see this too, and a Lucic buyout is cheaper than a Neal buyout.

If Lucic is bought out, I'd actually love to seem him re-signed for 2 million x 3 years. I doubt he'd stick around though. He's probably heading back to the West Coast in the event of a buyout.
The last round of compliance buyouts stopped teams from re-signing the players they bought out.
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OK...maybe we did better in the trade than i thought

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Old 04-07-2020, 11:52 AM   #3732
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Ken Holland says his understanding is that the Oilers will keep the conditional 3rd round draft pick.
https://www.tsn.ca/ken-holland-edmon...sume-1.1464036
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Can't really complain as the conditions weren't met end of story.
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Can't really complain as the conditions weren't met end of story.
He was injured and playing poorly. Probably wasn't going to hit the total anyway
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Old 04-07-2020, 02:56 PM   #3736
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He isn't biased at all...I will wait for the league/arbitrator to rule
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Can't really complain as the conditions weren't met end of story.
I just don't see it as that cut and dry, nor have others that don't reside in Calgary or Edmonton.

If it's prorated I'd be pissed if I was an Oiler fan, but as a Calgary fan the season never completed and the number of games weren't met to close the book.

So I don't think people are or were complaining, but I'll choose to hang on to a little more hope than yourself!

Went looking for an article on the Athletic that was out ten days ago ... highlighted the 5 or so most contentious conditional trades, and this one was on the list.
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Found it:

Athletic Article: Chaos Ranking of 2020 Conditional Draft Picks

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Got to admit, this one is so chaotic it is downright fun. Though whoever will be responsible for resolving it would probably beg to differ.
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Old 04-07-2020, 04:46 PM   #3739
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I just don't see how you can prorate these things. To me it's done if the season is considered over. No draft pick changing hands. I'd be happy if Calgary gets something more out of it though.
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There are endless amount of "unfair" things due to this shutdown. All those teams that spent picks on rental potentially ending up with nothing. The league isn't going to waste one second on this stuff. The conditions weren't meet, end of story.
How do you feel if you were active at the trade deadline with rentals? Sorry, not going to revise those trades either.

The season is over. Nobody won. Everyone lost. Focus on the next one.
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