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Old 04-28-2010, 05:09 PM   #1
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The purpose of this thread is twofold:

1) To allow interested people the ability to discuss general Apple topics with other interested people. Love them or hate them, nobody can deny that Apple provides some pretty interesting things to talk about.

2) To allow people who don't wish to be bombarded with 17 Apple threads, the ability to simply ignore this one thread.

Some examples of topics that might appear in this thread:

- Financial reports
- General news stories
- People-centric stories
- Interesting innovations that don't really need their own thread
- Controversies
- Whatever comes to mind (not specifically related to a product)

Posts about specific products can still go in the existing product threads: (iPad, App Store, etc). The reason I say this, is because there are people who only use an iPhone or iPad or whatever, and don't really care about general Apple stuff. It's probably not fair to make them wade through a 40 page thread about financial reports, just to get to the bit about the new iPhone OS.

Obviously, the really big stories (iPhone Leak) can still have their own threads. This thread is really for just the people who have a genuine interest in the company, whether it's as a fan or an investor. Haters are welcome too.
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:14 PM   #2
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Siri Acquisition Brings Apple Much Closer to the 'Knowledge Navigator' Concept

(http://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/28/...igator-concept)

Here's an interesting thing that just went down. Apple bought Siri, the company that has been working on a "personal assistant" for the iPhone. The reasoning, is apparantly Apple is now at work on something they first envisioned 20 years ago:



There's a current video from one of the Siri guys in the link I posted above, but here's the gist of it:

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Gruber demos Siri and how it can accomplish tasks using a conversational interface and apply context to provide useful and personalized interactions. He also walks through what's possible today and how close we are getting. Given Apple's acquisition of the company (and presumably Tom Gruber), the talk is of particular relevance to Apple's future plans.
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:14 PM   #3
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I hate general topic threads. I'd rather we keep making new ones whenever warranted.
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:17 PM   #4
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I hate general topic threads. I'd rather we keep making new ones whenever warranted.
Fair enough, but I'm intending this thread for all the little stories that aren't really worth their own thread.

Having said that, I'm ok with nixing this and continuing to post new threads for this stuff. Really, I'm just trying to be amicable towards the people who don't appreciate all the Apple threads.
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:40 PM   #5
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Fair enough, but I'm intending this thread for all the little stories that aren't really worth their own thread.

Having said that, I'm ok with nixing this and continuing to post new threads for this stuff. Really, I'm just trying to be amicable towards the people who don't appreciate all the Apple threads.
That's exactly it though...I'm not of the opinion that anyone who wants to read about Apple stuff should have to dig through a single thread to find out stuff. I don't mean to sound bitter, your efforts are appreciated.
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:53 PM   #6
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You can't make everyone happy. The PC fanboys bitch that the forum is filled with Apple threads. So FanIn80 tries to make a general thread so as to not overwhelm the forum and appease the complainers. And now your not happy. As Ricky Nelson said about being booed at Madison Square, "I learned my lesson well, you can't please everyone, so you gotta please yourself..."

Interesting video, but they guy's personal assistant looked too much like Bill Nye the Science Guy.

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Old 04-28-2010, 11:08 PM   #7
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My vote is we try this for a while and see how it goes. Often there are things I would like to talk about, but I appreciate that not everybody cares about little apple stories that aren't worth their own thread.

Siri is interesting. Merlin Man on Macbreak picked it as his pick of the week a few months ago and it sounds amazing. I downloaded it but it's a no-go in Canada currently
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In related news I blame Russic for getting me addicted to MacBreak, oh somewhere around the iPad presser.
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In related news I blame Russic for getting me addicted to MacBreak, oh somewhere around the iPad presser.
Same here. I've never heard of the TWIT network before the iPad launch and now I listen to a bunch of their podcasts every week.

http://twit.tv/
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Same here. I've never heard of the TWIT network before the iPad launch and now I listen to a bunch of their podcasts every week.

http://twit.tv/
Mac Geek Gab is an OK podcast too, although lately I’ve had more fun listening to spot their technical errors than actually getting anything of value from it. It takes a more decidedly more technical slant than MBW, and has been around for a long time.
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Just to be completely hypocritical, my first post:

Steve jobs absolutely destroys Adobe in an open letter:

Apple has a long relationship with Adobe. In fact, we met Adobe’s founders when they were in their proverbial garage. Apple was their first big customer, adopting their Postscript language for our new Laserwriter printer. Apple invested in Adobe and owned around 20% of the company for many years. The two companies worked closely together to pioneer desktop publishing and there were many good times. Since that golden era, the companies have grown apart. Apple went through its near death experience, and Adobe was drawn to the corporate market with their Acrobat products. Today the two companies still work together to serve their joint creative customers – Mac users buy around half of Adobe’s Creative Suite products – but beyond that there are few joint interests.

I wanted to jot down some of our thoughts on Adobe’s Flash products so that customers and critics may better understand why we do not allow Flash on iPhones, iPods and iPads. Adobe has characterized our decision as being primarily business driven – they say we want to protect our App Store – but in reality it is based on technology issues. Adobe claims that we are a closed system, and that Flash is open, but in fact the opposite is true. Let me explain.

First, there’s “Open”.

Adobe’s Flash products are 100% proprietary. They are only available from Adobe, and Adobe has sole authority as to their future enhancement, pricing, etc. While Adobe’s Flash products are widely available, this does not mean they are open, since they are controlled entirely by Adobe and available only from Adobe. By almost any definition, Flash is a closed system.

Apple has many proprietary products too. Though the operating system for the iPhone, iPod and iPad is proprietary, we strongly believe that all standards pertaining to the web should be open. Rather than use Flash, Apple has adopted HTML5, CSS and JavaScript – all open standards. Apple’s mobile devices all ship with high performance, low power implementations of these open standards. HTML5, the new web standard that has been adopted by Apple, Google and many others, lets web developers create advanced graphics, typography, animations and transitions without relying on third party browser plug-ins (like Flash). HTML5 is completely open and controlled by a standards committee, of which Apple is a member.

Apple even creates open standards for the web. For example, Apple began with a small open source project and created WebKit, a complete open-source HTML5 rendering engine that is the heart of the Safari web browser used in all our products. WebKit has been widely adopted. Google uses it for Android’s browser, Palm uses it, Nokia uses it, and RIM (Blackberry) has announced they will use it too. Almost every smartphone web browser other than Microsoft’s uses WebKit. By making its WebKit technology open, Apple has set the standard for mobile web browsers.

Second, there’s the “full web”.

Adobe has repeatedly said that Apple mobile devices cannot access “the full web” because 75% of video on the web is in Flash. What they don’t say is that almost all this video is also available in a more modern format, H.264, and viewable on iPhones, iPods and iPads. YouTube, with an estimated 40% of the web’s video, shines in an app bundled on all Apple mobile devices, with the iPad offering perhaps the best YouTube discovery and viewing experience ever. Add to this video from Vimeo, Netflix, Facebook, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, ESPN, NPR, Time, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Sports Illustrated, People, National Geographic, and many, many others. iPhone, iPod and iPad users aren’t missing much video.

Another Adobe claim is that Apple devices cannot play Flash games. This is true. Fortunately, there are over 50,000 games and entertainment titles on the App Store, and many of them are free. There are more games and entertainment titles available for iPhone, iPod and iPad than for any other platform in the world.

Third, there’s reliability, security and performance.

Symantec recently highlighted Flash for having one of the worst security records in 2009. We also know first hand that Flash is the number one reason Macs crash. We have been working with Adobe to fix these problems, but they have persisted for several years now. We don’t want to reduce the reliability and security of our iPhones, iPods and iPads by adding Flash.

In addition, Flash has not performed well on mobile devices. We have routinely asked Adobe to show us Flash performing well on a mobile device, any mobile device, for a few years now. We have never seen it. Adobe publicly said that Flash would ship on a smartphone in early 2009, then the second half of 2009, then the first half of 2010, and now they say the second half of 2010. We think it will eventually ship, but we’re glad we didn’t hold our breath. Who knows how it will perform?

[Long sections about touch technology and battery life....]

Sixth, the most important reason.

Besides the fact that Flash is closed and proprietary, has major technical drawbacks, and doesn’t support touch based devices, there is an even more important reason we do not allow Flash on iPhones, iPods and iPads. We have discussed the downsides of using Flash to play video and interactive content from websites, but Adobe also wants developers to adopt Flash to create apps that run on our mobile devices.

We know from painful experience that letting a third party layer of software come between the platform and the developer ultimately results in sub-standard apps and hinders the enhancement and progress of the platform. If developers grow dependent on third party development libraries and tools, they can only take advantage of platform enhancements if and when the third party chooses to adopt the new features. We cannot be at the mercy of a third party deciding if and when they will make our enhancements available to our developers.

This becomes even worse if the third party is supplying a cross platform development tool. The third party may not adopt enhancements from one platform unless they are available on all of their supported platforms. Hence developers only have access to the lowest common denominator set of features. Again, we cannot accept an outcome where developers are blocked from using our innovations and enhancements because they are not available on our competitor’s platforms.

Flash is a cross platform development tool. It is not Adobe’s goal to help developers write the best iPhone, iPod and iPad apps. It is their goal to help developers write cross platform apps. And Adobe has been painfully slow to adopt enhancements to Apple’s platforms. For example, although Mac OS X has been shipping for almost 10 years now, Adobe just adopted it fully (Cocoa) two weeks ago when they shipped CS5. Adobe was the last major third party developer to fully adopt Mac OS X.

Our motivation is simple – we want to provide the most advanced and innovative platform to our developers, and we want them to stand directly on the shoulders of this platform and create the best apps the world has ever seen. We want to continually enhance the platform so developers can create even more amazing, powerful, fun and useful applications. Everyone wins – we sell more devices because we have the best apps, developers reach a wider and wider audience and customer base, and users are continually delighted by the best and broadest selection of apps on any platform.

Conclusions.

Flash was created during the PC era – for PCs and mice. Flash is a successful business for Adobe, and we can understand why they want to push it beyond PCs. But the mobile era is about low power devices, touch interfaces and open web standards – all areas where Flash falls short.

The avalanche of media outlets offering their content for Apple’s mobile devices demonstrates that Flash is no longer necessary to watch video or consume any kind of web content. And the 200,000 apps on Apple’s App Store proves that Flash isn’t necessary for tens of thousands of developers to create graphically rich applications, including games.

New open standards created in the mobile era, such as HTML5, will win on mobile devices (and PCs too). Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind.

Steve Jobs
April, 2010


So long Flash.
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So do you want us to actually discuss the letter, or is this thread reserved for you guys just to high five each other and say how awesome Steve Jobs is?
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So do you want us to actually discuss the letter, or is this thread reserved for you guys just to high five each other and say how awesome Steve Jobs is?
Awwww and I was hoping to get in before the first troll.
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Tried to make some lame joke about how so many porn sites are based on flash and how porn drives standards adoption but couldn't figure out the punchline

I'm going to stay out of this thread

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Flash is coming to Android in 2.2

Not trying to derail this thread but just because Apple doesn't allow Flash that doesn't mean it will go away.

If anything, HTML5 will make Flash go bye bye.
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Flash is coming to Android in 2.2

Not trying to derail this thread but just because Apple doesn't allow Flash that doesn't mean it will go away.

If anything, HTML5 will make Flash go bye bye.
Facebook and YouTube have moved away or are moving away from Flash. Sure Android can support it, but when two of the biggest sites on the Web move away form Flash, me thinks the writing is on the wall.
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Tried to make some lame joke about how so many porn sites are based on flash and how porn drives standards adoption but couldn't figure out the punchline

I'm going to stay out of this thread
And a ton of porn sites are moving to HTML 5 already. As did Facebook a couple of days ago. By the time Adobe gets their @#$% together and has flash decoding in hardware on mobile devices, everyone will be switched over to h.264 video anyways.

I have never seen how the would handle actionscript rollover, key press events etc on a touch screen either. Most flash sites would be unnavigable. You may be able to watch a flash video but actually using a site made in flash would be nearly impossible.
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Flash is coming to Android in 2.2

Not trying to derail this thread but just because Apple doesn't allow Flash that doesn't mean it will go away.

If anything, HTML5 will make Flash go bye bye.
I don't think anyone is making the claim that Apple killed Flash. I think it's painfully obvious that Adobe is the one that killed Flash.
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Facebook and YouTube have moved away or are moving away from Flash. Sure Android can support it, but when two of the biggest sites on the Web move away form Flash, me thinks the writing is on the wall.
exactly, a few major sites move away from it, and a major computer innovation doesn't allow it, and it's going to die a slow (or not so slow) death.
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