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View Poll Results: Best guess at Sam Bennett's contract
2 years $6M ($3/) 34 5.57%
2 years $5.5M 62 10.16%
2 years $5M 105 17.21%
2 years $4.5M 118 19.34%
2 years $4M 55 9.02%
3 years $9M 53 8.69%
3 years $8.25M 47 7.70%
3 years $7.5M 54 8.85%
3 years $6.75M 30 4.92%
3 years $6M 10 1.64%
1 year deal 8 1.31%
Long Term deal 34 5.57%
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Old 05-03-2017, 10:08 AM   #41
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The winger part is important. Obviously Leon had an unreal year but he hasn't taken his lumps at center yet. His numbers go off a cliff when he's not with McDavid. Be interesting to see how much of a leash he has when he's making 7 million and has some growing pains. I assume they'll put him at center next year.
I'm not sure they'll ever have the appetite to move him to centre. They're a really good team (barf) as-is, and finding chemistry within your line-up is incredibly important. I imagine Draisaitl continues on as a winger, as he and the Oilers as a team are having too much success with the way things are currently.
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Old 05-03-2017, 10:10 AM   #42
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Draisatl already is one of the best passers in the league, has extremely good vision and high IQ.

He's better than Bennett and it's not even close. You can say it's still early but it's also still early for Draisatl and he can even get better.
Yep he's pretty good on the wing when paired with top NHL talents. When he's not his production drops off. People tend to forget that he was also one of the more NHL ready prospects in that draft (the reason the Oilers picked him as they needed immediate help) because of his size while Bennett was always pegged as a guy that would need some years to fill out.
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Old 05-03-2017, 10:13 AM   #43
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I'm not sure they'll ever have the appetite to move him to centre. They're a really good team (barf) as-is, and finding chemistry within your line-up is incredibly important. I imagine Draisaitl continues on as a winger, as he and the Oilers as a team are having too much success with the way things are currently.
All depends on if they can hold on to RNH. If they have to move him for money reasons then you kind of have to move LD back to center.
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Old 05-03-2017, 10:19 AM   #44
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What's Bennett's contract status in 3 years?

7 years qualifies you for UFA, and I think 6 years lets you do a 1-year arbitration scenario.

So taking him to 6 years total would be bad, but - correct me if I'm wrong - the way Bennett's contract was used up, we have used all three years of entry level, but only 2 years toward UFA?

In that case, a 3 year bridge wouldn't be the end of the world... that being said, I'd still love a 6 year deal for under 5M (4.5 - 4.75ish) if there was any way he would do it.
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Old 05-03-2017, 10:21 AM   #45
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All depends on if they can hold on to RNH. If they have to move him for money reasons then you kind of have to move LD back to center.
This is a good point. As of today Nuge is likely the easiest of the $6M players to move. Lucic is untradeable and Eberle likely couldn't be moved without equal money coming the other way. I think they could flip Nuge to a team and not have to take back much money in return. For instance I have a buddy that is a Canucks fan and he told me he would trade the 5th overall for Nuge straight up
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Old 05-03-2017, 10:23 AM   #46
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I think Bennett would consider a longer term deal in the $4MM to $5MM range. Say 6 years at $24MM. That sets you up for life or should. And, even if he outperforms that contract, he still has the opportunity to sign a healthy big time deal when it's done - he'll only be 27. A bridge deal of 2 years at $4MM ($2MM per to be clear) carries it's own risks. Sure, you could rip it up and get that big payday earlier, but you can also get hurt or not live up to expectations. I don't think a bridge deal is a slam dunk.
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Yep he's pretty good on the wing when paired with top NHL talents. When he's not his production drops off. People tend to forget that he was also one of the more NHL ready prospects in that draft (the reason the Oilers picked him as they needed immediate help) because of his size while Bennett was always pegged as a guy that would need some years to fill out.
How much does his production drop off?
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Old 05-03-2017, 10:39 AM   #48
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How much does his production drop off?
https://puckalytics.com/#/SuperWOWY?...th=6&endday=30

670M together vs 500M alone (this season)

59.4% GF% to 44.2%

53.8% CF to 47.9%

3.67 GF60 to 2.28

Obviously anyone will drop being moved away from McDavid but those aren't scary numbers.
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https://puckalytics.com/#/SuperWOWY?...th=6&endday=30

670M together vs 500M alone (this season)

59.4% GF% to 44.2%

53.8% CF to 47.9%

3.67 GF60 to 2.28

Obviously anyone will drop being moved away from McDavid but those aren't scary numbers.
44% GF% is a very scary number, that's Arizona/Buffalo level bad. I knew there'd be a dropoff but I wasn't expecting it to be that bad.
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Old 05-03-2017, 11:39 AM   #50
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I think he'll get the mumps.
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Old 05-03-2017, 11:44 AM   #51
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I said 2 years at $4.5M, which I think is an overpayment at present. It's paying for potential.

I really don't think ownership would be comfortable with a Klefbom-style deal, and I'm not sure Bennett would be either.
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44% GF% is a very scary number, that's Arizona/Buffalo level bad. I knew there'd be a dropoff but I wasn't expecting it to be that bad.
Is it? Edmonton collectively had a number of 47% and Calgary was second worst with 40%.
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I think his playoff performance will help his case for 2 years @ 2.75 per. He was one of our best players, absolute warrior out there.
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He was one of our best players, absolute warrior out there.
Never pay based on a small sample size. He was good for 4 games, all of which we lost.
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Never pay based on a small sample size. He was good for 4 games, all of which we lost.
he also showed improvement all season long while being buried with our worst player.
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Two good wings, I hope
I thought his shoulders had healed up fine.
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A 2 year deal scares me a lot; having both Bennett and Tkachuk up for extension with no other contracts expiring scares me. Either we stay below the cap for the 2018-2019 season just in case, we're forced to trade picks and prospects to dump cap, or we risk losing one (or both). I'm already nervous about Tkachuk's next deal for that reason.

A 3 year deal puts Bennett's next extension at the same time as Brouwer, Frolik, and Brodie expire, so we'll have at least Brouwer's $4.5M to reallocate towards Brodie and Bennett. Say it's a 3 year deal at $3M per. In the 2020 off-season we'll have $16.5M to re-sign those 4. Assuming Brodie's in the $6-7M territory, we'll either have a) Bennett being worth $6-7M as well; we lose Frolik but that's mitigated by Bennett's improvement, or b) Bennett's more in the $4M territory (or less), and we only lose Brouwer.
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he also showed improvement all season long while being buried with our worst player.
No, he really didn't. He improved towards the end which should be expected considering how bad he was a lot of the year.
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I use Ryan Strome as a comparible. Strome got a 2 x 2.5 bridge deal. I would try to get Sam for 3 years which would probably cost you 3 x 3.
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Leon also isn't going to get a bridge deal - he's going to get a Johnny/Sean contract.

There are teams out there who took these gambles, and look like geniuses. If the team believes in Sam Bennett, then they should absolutely overpay in the short term to gain length on the cheap.

Those throwing around sub-2M contracts over 2 years, you're off by a million dollars. Go look around the league at comparable contracts. Also, from a cap-management standpoint, doing a 2 year bridge could lead to some cap-struggles in 2 years time when Tkachuk and Bennett will need extensions and we're still paying Brouwer and Frolik a combined 8.8M. At the minimum, you get 3 years to ensure the cap-crunch doesn't take place.

Also, comparing Draisaitl to Bennett doesn't make much sense at this stage. Draisaitl is a winger, and happens to play with the best centre in the league. Bennett is a centre, who got to play with Troy Brouwer. If you want to go down the path of undervaluing our players, go nuts - but try not to gush over a player who was gifted the best wing position in the league.
I'm pretty certain that Draisatl is the #2 center for the Oilers and has been that way for the majority of the season. He basically has been a Malkin-esque player behind McDavid.

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