[Signing] Flames sign Mangiapane (1 yr, $715k, 2 way)

[Jiri Hrdina]

^If true he can be sent to the minors up to playing 6 more games, then he still has to make the team. So the two way thing does matter.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Has anyone confirmed his waiver eligibility?

He will need to clear waivers to be sent to the AHL.

He is considered to have signed his first contract as a 20 year-old for waiver purposes, which means he was exempt for 3 years. This is his fourth year and he is no longer exempt.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

"Minors salary unconfirmed"

Now they have it at 70,000.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Having it a one-way is not bad for the Flames. They have Gillies as a one-way and he has very little chance to play significant NHL games.... bad contract?

Mangiapane played all 5 playoff games.

They won't be able to send him to the minors after he plays 6 more NHL games anyhow. Probably 1 game if the playoff games count.

Tampa would claim him on waivers

Winters only has a few NHL clients:

Mark Giordano, Tomas Tatar, Marian Hossa, Adam Erne, Tomas Jurco, Andrew Mangiapane, Eric Comrie, Calvin Pickard and Sergei Shumakov

Ottawa would have waiver priority.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Now they have it at 70,000.

An unconfirmed $70,000.

He made $70,000 on his last deal.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

It's one of those things that aren't white or black.

Did Mangiapane deserve more than his QO? Quite likely, and the comparables are solid suggesting he's a better player than most if not all of the listed players that will get more.

But in a world where you need to use leverage when you have it, and teams only carry 22 players to accrue cap space you don't over pay for anyone.

Is this 22 player thing a fact? Seems to me Flames had 23 players all last year, or am I remembering incorrectly? Considering they tried to add significant salary at the deadline, you'd think saving cap space would have been meaningful last year too.

The other part is waiver considerations. Do you send down a Mangiapane to accrue cap space when you run the risk of him being claimed? It could be that waiver exemption status is a bigger factor in roster size.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Having it a one-way is not bad for the Flames. They have Gillies as a one-way and he has very little chance to play significant NHL games.... bad contract?

Mangiapane played all 5 playoff games.

They won't be able to send him to the minors after he plays 6 more NHL games anyhow. Probably 1 game if the playoff games count.

Tampa would claim him on waivers

Winters only has a few NHL clients:

Mark Giordano, Tomas Tatar, Marian Hossa, Adam Erne, Tomas Jurco, Andrew Mangiapane, Eric Comrie, Calvin Pickard and Sergei Shumakov

Who said "bad"? I said "worse". If the player could be on a 1-way... or a 2-way, the 2-way is better for the team if everything else is the same.

So what I don't get is why you prefer they sign him to a worse contract


I don't know what the rest of what you're saying is in reference to

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Toonage

lol..Francis a few days ago referenced an agent who said "the garbage dump is closed" when referring to teams offloading contracts for cap relief. Now on 960 Rich Winter has said garbage dump 3 or 4 times. Easy to see where Francis got that info.

I don't love the guy either but through his connection to Winter he had some real reporting on this negotiation that we would not have heard otherwise.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don't love the guy either but through his connection to Winter he had some real reporting on this negotiation that we would not have heard otherwise.

I don't think I did a good job (or any job really) explaining myself. I thought he was trying to protect the source when he first mentioned the dump line, but then Winter outed himself and I thought it was kind of funny. Thats all.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don't love the guy either but through his connection to Winter he had some real reporting on this negotiation that we would not have heard otherwise.

Which would be a rare "scoop" for Eric to actually have

I'll trade never hearing from him (or Winter) again for his connection to Eat Bread

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Is this 22 player thing a fact? Seems to me Flames had 23 players all last year, or am I remembering incorrectly? Considering they tried to add significant salary at the deadline, you'd think saving cap space would have been meaningful last year too.

The other part is waiver considerations. Do you send down a Mangiapane to accrue cap space when you run the risk of him being claimed? It could be that waiver exemption status is a bigger factor in roster size.

I wasn't talking Mangiapane or the Flames specifically.

But teams go with 22 often (don't have the stats sorry) to accrue cap space. The nickles and dimes add up. Why hand a guy with only 2/3 of a season a raise when he has zero leverage?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Guessing Treliving stood firm on his qualifying offer, agent tells Eat Bread to hold off signing to the last minute to see if he can squeeze some more out of the offer. Tre calls their bluff and waits them out, and Eat Bread gives up and signs the deal. I don't think there's any hard feelings, but for sure Mangiapange isn't giving any type of discount the next time around.

People need to stop saying this as if it was ever going be an option in the first place. The Flames were never going to get a discount from Mangiapane the next time around, regardless of whatever happened in this negotiation.

[Textcritic]

I just listened to Eric Francis's interview with Rich Winter. It is fairly informative, but my god, Winter sounds like a pompous #######.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/pinder-...w-deal-flames/

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I just listened to Eric Francis's interview with Rich Winter. It is fairly informative, but my god, Winter sounds like a pompous #######.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/pinder-...w-deal-flames/

The best part was his whiney rant "The system is broken. GMs gave players money, so now they aren't able to give other players money." Boo hoo.

Well yeah, it's called a salary cap. All of the players are getting all of the money available to all of the players.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Lol ritch winter playing hold em with cards lying face up on the table.

Smooth move genius.

Get a new agent eat bread

and Brad never even looked at his own cards. He knew he had the winning hand.

[Jiri Hrdina]

That's the fascinating thing - there is a pie that gets divided to all the players. Someone is going to get squeezed. With top end players, wanting to get paid on their second contracts - that money has to come from someone.

The squeeze likely comes in the middle.

But it's a finite amount of cash. That's not a broken system.
And the agents are at the heart of it. If I were a player I would ask my agent are they more concerned about getting me the best deal, or one of their other clients?

[Braden]

Only thing I could really agree with from that interview is moving the signing deadline to September or October first, eliminate the hold out option and itll speed up every deal.

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If I were a player I would ask my agent are they more concerned about getting me the best deal, or one of their other clients?

Problem is there are lots of different agents, all fighting to get their own clients the biggest piece of that pie. The top end players are the more rare commodity, so the agents are more successful with them. I doubt any of them are deliberately sacrificing their own lower end players.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

The best part was his whiney rant "The system is broken. GMs gave players money, so now they aren't able to give other players money." Boo hoo.

Well yeah, it's called a salary cap. All of the players are getting all of the money available to all of the players.

Yeah, get some more top end clients then, Rich.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Split98

Why on Earth would you hope for a worse contract for the team you cheer for?

Did the Jets just announce a signing?