Matthew Tkachuk contract negotiations

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think Tkachuk will be scared to sign an offer sheet for what he thinks he is worth. Treliving is going to have to leave some breathing room so he is not backed into a corner. Any offer sheet is probably going to be shorter term potentially when he is still a RFA but ensure the qualifying offer is ridiculously high.

Since when did you become tkachovertime?
Couldn't drive offense on his own in the playoffs. Not worth that top tier cheddar yet. I dont think hes going for an offer sheet.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Since when did you become tkachovertime?
Couldn't drive offense on his own in the playoffs. Not worth that top tier cheddar yet. I dont think hes going for an offer sheet.

Most of the league gets paid before they do anything in the playoffs...it is what it is.

[getoverit]

Then trade him for kings ransom. 8x8 but not for 5

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The way Tkachuk talked about the Matthews deal he is probably pushing for $8Mx5 years.

[djsFlames]

7.5 x 7

For a valuable player on your second line that still has room for growth with that underwhelming stretch drive.

[442scotty]

I’m not worried about Chucky getting an offer sheet. Any gm putting out an offer sheet will be putting a target on his back and I’m pretty sure the practice is frowned upon amongst the brotherhood of gm’s. Chucky is a pretty good player but he can’t play the fast game and doesn’t play physical enough. He disappeared in the playoffs after the first game. Sorry but I don’t think you empty the piggy bank for him. I’m betting the flames are offering Giordano money at this point. I’d like to see him work on his skating before $$$

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I’m not worried about Chucky getting an offer sheet. Any gm putting out an offer sheet will be putting a target on his back and I’m pretty sure the practice is frowned upon amongst the brotherhood of gm’s. Chucky is a pretty good player but he can’t play the fast game and doesn’t play physical enough. He disappeared in the playoffs after the first game. Sorry but I don’t think you empty the piggy bank for him. I’m betting the flames are offering Giordano money at this point. I’d like to see him work on his skating before $$$

Unless it’s not very long, zero chance he agrees to Gio’s money. I think even 5 years puts him above Gio.


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[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Since when did you become tkachovertime?
Couldn't drive offense on his own in the playoffs. Not worth that top tier cheddar yet. I dont think hes going for an offer sheet.

I am not saying we need to give the guy the moon. I just think Tkachuk does want to get paid and is not looking to do a team friendly deal. I do think we see offer sheets this summer and when the Flames could wait Gaudreau our because he was ineligible to sign an offer sheet Tkachuk has that ability.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by getoverit

Then trade him for kings ransom. 8x8 but not for 5

I agree I would hate to pay him top $ for short term. Chiarelli scrwed things up by giving Draisaitl $8.5M after a 50 and 70pt season but after scoring 50-100 this year it looks like a fair deal.

Dubas really effed things up by giving Matthews $11.3 for 5 years. Is Tkachuk really worth 3-4M less than Matthews?

[burnitdown]

I'm most scared of a tirefire organization like Ottawa signing him to an offer sheet. You'd think they learned their lesson with Duchene, but I have no doubt they'll be tempted to unite the Tkachuk brothers long-term.

They have 5 picks in the top 3 rounds next year (and 11 picks in the top 3 rounds over the next 2 years) so they might think they can absorb giving away a couple 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd to lock him in at an 5-year deal at $10M.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Dubas really effed things up by giving Matthews $11.3 for 5 years. Is Tkachuk really worth 3-4M less than Matthews?

I think Auston Matthews is worth 3-4M less than what Auston Matthews is getting paid.

Tkachuk is worth a couple of steps below that.

If someone gives Tkachuk an $8m/yr offer sheet, I'll buy him a pair of Stampede commemorative truck nuts to remember us by, and get to see Treliving use the picks and the cap space to fleece another GM at the draft.

He's good, but he shouldn't be getting franchise player money.

[TheScorpion]

I'd really like to hear Gaudreauvertime's take on these negotiations.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

I think Auston Matthews is worth 3-4M less than what Auston Matthews is getting paid.

Tkachuk is worth a couple of steps below that.

If someone gives Tkachuk an $8m/yr offer sheet, I'll buy him a pair of Stampede commemorative truck nuts to remember us by, and get to see Treliving use the picks and the cap space to fleece another GM at the draft.

He's good, but he shouldn't be getting franchise player money.

Tkachuk is not a free agent until July 1st so the draft you want Treliving to fleece other GM’s on is in 2020 and the Flames would need to address the need to replace Tkachuk immediately as to not waste another year of the core’s prime and contracts.

The thing is if Tkachuk signs an offer sheet it would likely be deeper into the summer and not something that will be done in early July.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So you would value 2 1st rd, a 2nd and a 3rd rd pick over Matthew Tkachuk making 8.2 M a year?

OK...fair enough.

I would say it is not enough for me to walk on a guy that has improved every single year in the league and hasnt even seen his 22nd birthday yet...all while coming in top 30 in league scoring.

I mean...maybe one of those picks comes close to producing what MT does...unlikely but possible (all based on draft position obviously).

Brad Treliving has a hell of a lot to entertain in these contract negotations...I don't envy him or the Flames analytics department.

How does Tkachuk's ++ ability to play down low continue to trend? Is it enough to offset his glaring skating weakness?

Do we continue to see the league move exponentially faster, thereby limiting the impact guys like Tkachuk can have?

What does that look like in 5+ years?

All hugely important questions that I certainly don't have an answer for. Market value for Tkachuk scares the bejesus out of me, because I'm not sure paying him what his numbers call for and the 'intangibles' will allow room for another (much needed) top 6 player for this group without major roster reconstruction. NOR do I have the utmost faith that his game is going to age well in the current landscape of the NHL

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

I've always wondered why players are not looking for deals like that, based on % of cap. Is there a CBA rule against that? Why has this never happened?

I’m sure players have agreed to that type of deal before... it’s just a dollar amount so there is no reason it would be illegal.

[Haplo]

I think the Flames would do wise to wait and see what Rantanen gets. Considering Mackinnon is paid 6.3 mil, I doubt Rantanen will get much more than 8 and Tkachuk is worth less than Rantanen, based on their play this season.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Haplo

I think the Flames would do wise to wait and see what Rantanen gets. Considering Mackinnon is paid 6.3 mil, I doubt Rantanen will get much more than 8 and Tkachuk is worth less than Rantanen, based on their play this season.

I don't think any of those contracts that were signed 3 years ago will be used as a comparable. The Cap itself has gone up 10M in that time. The second contract is more and more about paying for potential.

[Haplo]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I don't think any of those contracts that were signed 3 years ago will be used as a comparable. The Cap itself has gone up 10M in that time. The second contract is more and more about paying for potential.

Not as comparables, but when your franchise player is underpaid, you're not gonna overpay his winger. I think it'll be a better benchmark for Tkachuk than some of these other deals.

[Toonage]

Tkachuk's value will be determined in a bubble with his peers, not matched against the contracts of his teammates.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'd really like to hear Gaudreauvertime's take on these negotiations.

I still want to know who that was.

[CaptainCrunch]

I have a feeling that these negotiation are going to be long and drawn out and painful. MT will chase the most money on the shortest term to UFA possible. My gut tells me we'll be sitting deep into the season before he's signed



We need to bring in a strong negotiator for this one