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Old 08-20-2018, 09:29 PM   #1
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Icon48 NHL Tonight ranks worst to best non-playoff teams heading into 18/19



Flames in top 5 to rebound this year. Obviously higher ranked clubs are given the best chance. Thoughts?

What do your lists look like? Will be fun to see who is right about who really moved the needle in the off-season.
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Yeah Oilers make top 5 why?

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Yeah Oilers make top 5 why?



Everyone should note that Collie McBroken appears in every single one of those highlights in the video.
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Well Johnson did cite their "new" winger Ryan Nugent Hopkins. Too bad they didn't get a "new" centreman to fill the gap they left by moving him over.

Every off-season that garbage team is beloved by the media. I suppose we should be used to it by now.
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Let's just embrace the media love for Oilers as part of what makes the Oilers being terrible hilarious.
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Media types will be hesitant to write the Oilers off considering they have the best player in the league right now. I do find it funny when Oiler fans or media try and spin the narrative that last year was the one off and the team will bounce back to their 16/17 form. This ignores the fact that in the last 12 years the single 16/17 season is the only year that appears to be the anomaly.
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Hearing 'Raanta was great' hurt in the Coyotes segment.
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Hearing 'Raanta was great' hurt in the Coyotes segment.
He was great only long after the team was out of playoff contention. The way he started the season wouldn't have helped the Flames.
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He was great only long after the team was out of playoff contention. The way he started the season wouldn't have helped the Flames.
He got hurt early on which was the biggest problem but his numbers actually weren't that bad.

He had a .912 save percentage over his first 20 starts (Up until January 1st).

Then his last 27 games post January 1st he had a .942 save percentage.

So he was an average goalie for the most part up until January 1st (.912 vs Mike Smith's .916) and then was full on elite for the second half of the season.
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My assumption was that the list isn't a 'who is going to improve the most?' it is a who is going to finish highest in the standings?'

And with that assumption, I don't disagree with much of anything he said. Here is my list:

1. FLA (because their division has 4 of the 6 or 7 worst teams in the league)
2. CGY
3. STL (improved, but tough division)
4. DAL (see STL)
5. CHI (I agree that last year was an off year)

6. EDM (because they're not as bad as last year, and the rest of the list is awful)
7. CAR (who frickin' knows?)
8. NYI (see CAR)

9. BUF (we'll finally see some improvement)
10. ARI (I am not as optimistic as most, but the rest of the teams suck)

11. NYR (from here down it's just garbage)
12. MON
13. DET
14. VAN
15. OTT
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How the Oilers got into the top 5 is baffling to me and more about them not seeing the warts on that team, and to me one of those warts is Connor McDavid. As much as people call him generational, I think he's a star, a super star even, but I don't see anything that makes me think, that guy wants to win at all costs, and that's what makes Sid Generational, and this year Ovie climbed that wall and showed it.

McDavid comes across with a slight me first feel, and you can blame the Oilers and their lets win Connor a trophy movement for more then half a year.

To use the Iron Man Captain America line. I don't see McDavid as that guy determined enough to lay on Barbed wire and let his team mates crawl over him, nor do I think he's smart enough to think about cutting the wire.

Have the Oilers done enough to compete with Vegas, Anaheim or San Jose? Nope, and I believe that the Ducks and Vegas are going to be vulnerable teams this year, but I still take their lineups over the Oilers. How about LA or Colorado

The Kings weren't busy, and I think that signing Kovalchuk is going to be a bad idea, but they look like a stronger top to bottom team.

Colorado didn't do much, but they have a solid younger base to deal with, but they're that team that could be in or out, but I still think they're stronger then the Oilers right now.

St Louis worked to address their problems with Bozak and Perron, they should be a real playoff threat.

I really don't like Dallas' blueline or goaltending and I don't think they're a playoff team, but that forward group is solid

I think Calgary did a great job of re balancing their lineup, and strengthening their ofense without giving up blueline depth, the big question is goaltending but I believe that the Flames will punch the Oilers lights out this year because top to bottom, its just a better overall team.

I don't think that Chicago is going to be awesome, but I believe they did enough to improve over the oilers.

The bottom feeders in Vancouver and Arizona are still going to be bottom feeders, but who knows with Arizona, every predicts that their youth will take up any time now.

Lets look at the Oilers moves. they radically overpaid for a KHL backup goalie, They signed Reider who could be a decent move, but he's not that much of a difference maker. They signed an ancient Brodziak who was decent last year with st Louis, but the Blues seem to make every depth guy look better then he is. He's more then likely going to succumb to father time, but I don't believe that he's anything more then a illustration of how weak the Oilers prospect pool is. Graval crap, and they got a guy from Washington to keep the popcorn machine cleaned out.

The oilers didn't address their deficiencies on the wings, they weakened themselves at center with RNH moving to the wing because they don't have enough bonified top line wingers (shocking for a team with a monopoly on high picks). Their blueline looks gross and they need Talbot to recover from shell shock and rubber poisoning.

If anything the Oilers are the same team as last year but teams around them have improved, so the Oilers by that math will probably drop in the standings.

As all of the other teams tee off on the Oilers this year, they'll be saying the same thing




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Swap the Oilers with the Hawks and I think its a pretty fairly rated list.
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Hearing 'Raanta was great' hurt in the Coyotes segment.
its easier to be great when you have absolutely nothing to lose and no pressure


great enough for last place
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For those that can't watch the video what's the breakdown of the list?
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For those that can't watch the video what's the breakdown of the list?
1. St Louis
2. Florida
3. Dallas
4. Calgary
5. Edmonton
6. Chicago
7. Carolina
8. NYR
9. Arizona
10. NYI
11. Montreal
12. Buffalo
13. Detroit
14. Vancouver
15. Ottawa
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Unless the flames do something about the goalie situation we aren't making the playoffs.

Smith alone isn't good enough to put our goaltending in the top 20 in the league, and the back-ups are both a fingers crossed hope like hell one of them can play 30 games at .920 save percentage...

which in my mind shouldn't put us anywhere near the top of this list.

That said at least the flames have upgraded something unlike the coilers who are just taking steps backwards...
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Unless the flames do something about the goalie situation we aren't making the playoffs.

Smith alone isn't good enough to put our goaltending in the top 20 in the league, and the back-ups are both a fingers crossed hope like hell one of them can play 30 games at .920 save percentage...

which in my mind shouldn't put us anywhere near the top of this list.

That said at least the flames have upgraded something unlike the coilers who are just taking steps backwards...
Ridiculous. With a fairly anemic offence in 2017–18 the Flames managed to stay in the playoff hunt with Smith and Rittich in goal. With a significantly improved group of forwards and a new coaching staff that includes a powerplay specialist there is no good reason why the Flames should not finish in at least a wildcard spot and challenging for the Division.
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Textcritic is right.

It's not about getting a better starter (Smith is probably top 10 when healthy anyhow...). What we need is for Smith to not go down with injury again.

Rittich was not just okay but actually good in a backup capacity. He's just not ready for the starter label. If Smith stays healthy and with the added offense, I don't see why they can't be playoff-good with the tandem they have, even with Smith being limited to 50 something games, so long as the kids don't have to run the show at any point.

Some people are almost assuming a Smith will pull something if he plays a certain amount, and that's not a guarantee whatsoever. Pretty freak incident that happened last spring that pretty much epitomized the entire season.
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Ridiculous. With a fairly anemic offence in 2017–18 the Flames managed to stay in the playoff hunt with Smith and Rittich in goal. With a significantly improved group of forwards and a new coaching staff that includes a powerplay specialist there is no good reason why the Flames should not finish in at least a wildcard spot and challenging for the Division.
Agree that this team can make the playoffs with the current goalie situation and no reason to say they "can't".

But unfortunately I can also see a situation where goaltending costs this team. The backups are question marks. And while Smith has shown he can be solid, there is an injury risk and just a risk of him declining.
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It's not about getting a better starter (Smith is probably top 10 when healthy anyhow...). What we need is for Smith to not go down with injury again.
Smith is 36 and hasn't played over 55 games since 2014-15. He is also one of the most injury-prone goalies over the past 10 years so it's a big gamble simply hoping for him not to go down again.

Also, there's no way he's a top 10 goalie when healthy. Even assuming age doesn't catch up with him this year, he's had a save percentage over .916 once in his 12 year career. He's definitely capable of stealing a few games over the season but he's pretty much an average goalie his entire career.

While I love the offensive upgrades this season, BT is gambling again on coaching and goaltending. I definitely think this can be a playoff caliber team but for that to happen, I think it's going to be the emergence of Gillies/Rittich being able to play a solid 40 games that will be the main driver.
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