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pgsieve · 03-20-2019, 01:46 PM

I think this is the first time I’ve looked at the team with no real idea what to do with the team. There isn’t a forward I want out of the line-up but also want to get Neal in. The depth here going into the playoffs can’t be understated

GioforPM · 03-20-2019, 01:47 PM

I kinda wanted Lazar in again, just because it's Ottawa.

keenan87 · 03-20-2019, 01:49 PM

On Saturday, when everyone is ready I would like to see:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Bennett-Jankowski-Neal
Mangiapane-Ryan-Czarnik
Hathaway

agulati · 03-20-2019, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I kinda wanted Lazar in again, just because it's Ottawa.

Yeah that would have been good. Seeing him get actual minutes too (10+ minutes) would have been possible as well.

It is an emergency recall though, so even if one of Monahan or Bennett can go, he will have to be sent down.
Is the recall limit for regular season only, or does it also include playoffs. I guess he will only come up again once the Heat season is done.

SofaProfessor · 03-20-2019, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kukkudo

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Bennett-Ryan-Neal
Hathaway-Jankowski-Czarnik

I would roll with those forward lines going into the playoffs.

Not enough EatBread.

savardandjokinen · 03-20-2019, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by keenan87

On Saturday, when everyone is ready I would like to see:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Bennett-Jankowski-Neal
Mangiapane-Ryan-Czarnik
Hathaway

I think Hathaway plays. Czarnik and Mangiapane fight for 12th spot for rest of season and all of playoffs

Flash Walken · 03-20-2019, 02:13 PM

why on earth would you play neal over mangiapane at this point?

Bingo · 03-20-2019, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

I think Hathaway plays. Czarnik and Mangiapane fight for 12th spot for rest of season and all of playoffs

Yeah Hathaway isn't going anywhere. He's become too big a part of the penalty kill

For Calgary forwards killing penalties he's;

1st CA60
1st SA60
1st GA60
3rd SCA60
1st HDCA60

He leads all forward in going almost 13 minutes of kill time between surrendering goals.

Flash Walken · 03-20-2019, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah Hathaway isn't going anywhere. He's become too big a part of the penalty kill

For Calgary forwards killing penalties he's;

1st CA60
1st SA60
1st GA60
3rd SCA60
1st HDCA60

He leads all forward in going almost 13 minutes of kill time between surrendering goals.

and he punches faces.

heep223 · 03-20-2019, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

why on earth would you play neal over mangiapane at this point?

Neal is big, and the Flames are soft. Post season is a whole different animal. He might be a nice top 6 acquisition for this team going into the playoffs.

Toonage · 03-20-2019, 02:24 PM

Personally I think it will be Czarnik coming out when Neal comes in. Then Czarnik swaps in for Mangiapane if / when he cools off a bit or gets hurt, etc.

Bingo · 03-20-2019, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

and he punches faces.

Not sure I agree.

I think his style gets him dragged into fights once in a while, but he's not a fighter, and I don't think he looks for them.

Only twice this year for example, including last night.

Bennett has 3, Tkachuk 2

Hathaway is an irritant, not a brawler.

Flash Walken · 03-20-2019, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by heep223

Neal is big, and the Flames are soft. Post season is a whole different animal. He might be a nice top 6 acquisition for this team going into the playoffs.

besides jankowski Neal has shown to be the most pillowy soft player on the roster this year.

Sure, I hope the myth of James "Playoff" Neal shows himself, but being 'big' is basically the worst reasoning you could come up with.

Mangiapane is actually good, and most importantly, for the first time this season the bottom 6 is actually good because of it.

Flash Walken · 03-20-2019, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Not sure I agree.

I think his style gets him dragged into fights once in a while, but he's not a fighter, and I don't think he looks for them.

Only twice this year for example, including last night.

Bennett has 3, Tkachuk 2

Hathaway is an irritant, not a brawler.

sure, I agree with this.

I don't think he's a designated face puncher, but it's in his repertoire more than any other bottom 6 player besides bennett, who I would also classify as a face puncher, though like Hathaway, not his only or defining skill.

point being, I agree with everything you wrote about him on the PK, that would be enough to justify him never coming out of the lineup.

The fact that he also drags his teammates into emotional battles is the cherry on top.

TheIronMaiden · 03-20-2019, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

why on earth would you play neal over mangiapane at this point?

The potential outcome of Neal regaining form and producing at normal career levels is likely the key motivation to him getting ice time. I like Mangiapane, he plays with a lot of jam, but a career form James Neal would make the Flames into a deadly team. I don't think that Neal is a lock, but I am all for giving him a chance to prove himself in the post season.

Flash Walken · 03-20-2019, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The potential outcome of Neal regaining form and producing at normal career levels is likely the key motivation to him getting ice time. I like Mangiapane, he plays with a lot of jam, but a career form James Neal would make the Flames into a deadly team. I don't think that Neal is a lock, but I am all for giving him a chance to prove himself in the post season.

Is the benefit of james neal potentially getting going better than the actuality of the bottom 6 actually going?

The Flames basically flipped their season long script once Neal was out with an injury.

Suddenly some guy who was getting 16 undeserved minutes a night wasn't in the lineup to create a log jam and a cast of bottom 6 guys could actually get some chemistry with each other. Lo and Behold the Flames top 6 goes uncharacteristically cold, frozen even, and the bottom 6 just happens to start lighting it up and carrying the mail.

Mangiapane is actually good.

Bingo, pull up those sweet sweet mangiapane stats for me. I need an advanced stats comparison between him and Neal.

Heatmaps? Do we have those?

Someone post a hero chart.

GioforPM · 03-20-2019, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Is the benefit of james neal potentially getting going better than the actuality of the bottom 6 actually going?

The Flames basically flipped their season long script once Neal was out with an injury.

Suddenly some guy who was getting 16 undeserved minutes a night wasn't in the lineup to create a log jam and a cast of bottom 6 guys could actually get some chemistry with each other. Lo and Behold the Flames top 6 goes uncharacteristically cold, frozen even, and the bottom 6 just happens to start lighting it up and carrying the mail.

Mangiapane is actually good.

Bingo, pull up those sweet sweet mangiapane stats for me. I need an advanced stats comparison between him and Neal.

Heatmaps? Do we have those?

Someone post a hero chart.

They started losing when he went out and started winning again when he was skating. Coincidence? Probably. But I don't think your conclusions are too solid either.

Mangiapane versus Neal isn't a thing. Czarnik versus Neal is probably a thing.

neo45 · 03-20-2019, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

They started losing when he went out and started winning again when he was skating. Coincidence? Probably. But I don't think your conclusions are too solid either.

Mangiapane versus Neal isn't a thing. Czarnik versus Neal is probably a thing.

His line improved drastically without him. His replacement is out-performing him. These aren’t coincidences.

That being said you might as well work him into the lineup to be in game shape if someone goes down. I would prefer an AHL conditioning stint though. Can’t risk him coming off a layoff into a playoff game

heep223 · 03-20-2019, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

besides jankowski Neal has shown to be the most pillowy soft player on the roster this year.

Sure, I hope the myth of James "Playoff" Neal shows himself, but being 'big' is basically the worst reasoning you could come up with.

Mangiapane is actually good, and most importantly, for the first time this season the bottom 6 is actually good because of it.

I see your argument as well, but "why on earth would you play Neal" could in fact have a logical answer.

I'm on the fence tbh.

GioforPM · 03-20-2019, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by neo45

His line improved drastically without him. His replacement is out-performing him. These aren’t coincidences.

That being said you might as well work him into the lineup to be in game shape if someone goes down. I would prefer an AHL conditioning stint though. Can’t risk him coming off a layoff into a playoff game

Like someone said, though, Neal as he can be (i.e. Vegas Neal) is better than Czarnik at the best we've seen him. It's worth a look. It would equal adding a 20 goal man at the trade deadline.