View Poll Results: What do you think of the trade after a week of getting your head around it?
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Love it, think Lucic is an upgrade
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16.80% |
Like it, clears some cap space even if Lucic is no better
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197 |
30.35% |
Indifferent, both teams getting a failed project
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187 |
28.81% |
Dislike it, Neal needed another year to bounce back
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107 |
16.49% |
Hate it, Neal will be better in Edmonton
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7.55% |
07-19-2019, 04:12 PM
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#721
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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It’s really too bad Lucic’s contract is 9 years longer than Neal’s
Edit: crap, top of a page.... I’m joking. They have equal term remaining.
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07-19-2019, 04:13 PM
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#722
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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07-19-2019, 04:13 PM
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#723
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by mikeecho
On the upside, the Flames free up a bit of cap space with the deal and won't go out and drop $2 mil x 3 years on a guy like Maroon now so its like they save even more cap space!
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07-19-2019, 04:14 PM
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#724
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
Uh, 0.4 percent cap hit? You mean 6 per cent? Or what do you mean?
And if Neal averages 35 points on the second line, sure it's not that bad. But that's a big if given his play last year. He sucked. If he played last year, outside of playing with McDavid, he isn't breaking 25 points...
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I mean the extra 350,000 a year they are paying compared to keeping Lucic is equal to 0.4 percent of the cap. I am assuming Lucic will be awful so in that scenario a 35 point Neal at 6.35 is probably better than whatever Lucic brings to a team.
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07-19-2019, 04:15 PM
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#725
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Look on the bright side! At least we didn’t sign James Neal this summer! That dude was born an Oiler.
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If he doesn't pull off a miraculous turnaround, he'll fit in there perfectly.
I saw maybe two good defensive plays from him all season.
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07-19-2019, 04:15 PM
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#726
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All I can get
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A run-of-the-mill Joe Palooka would've cost league minimum.
Lucic's a pretty expensive face-puncher.
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07-19-2019, 04:15 PM
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#727
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Calgary via Palm Desert
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Originally Posted by Psytic
I like your glass half full take on this. It makes me feel kind of better. I wouldn't have minded this if JP was coming back. Not seeing the value in 1 for 1 though. I Hope Lucic is working hard this offseason on getting his legs back.
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JP? As in Jesse Puljujärvi? Why don't we get them to throw in McDavid why they at it too? Like seriously why would the Oilers throw in a 20/21 year old 4th overall pick from just 3 years ago?
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07-19-2019, 04:16 PM
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#728
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Franchise Player
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Oh gotcha. I just disagree though with the idea that Neal will bounce back at all. He was terrible. At this point it's nearing healthy scratch for healthy scratch, given their recent play, so any additional cap-hit is a loss.
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07-19-2019, 04:18 PM
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#729
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko
JP? As in Jesse Puljujärvi? Why don't we get them to throw in McDavid why they at it too? Like seriously why would the Oilers throw in a 20/21 year old 4th overall pick from just 3 years ago?
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Because he has been terrible and announced he never wants to play there again? Probably too much of a throw in, but he will likely get dealt.
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07-19-2019, 04:18 PM
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#730
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Franchise Player
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Well I guess the bright side is we don't need to worry about the caveman hunting down our skilled players next year and that goofball Kassian should lose his courage.
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07-19-2019, 04:18 PM
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#731
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Calgary
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I don't get what Calgary's reasoning is on this, unless they think Lucic has some sort of Dubnyk/Schultz resurgence in him once away from that no good organization. Even if Lucic gets back to his power forward ways of old (unlikely given the Flames are a rush based team and he can't skate well anymore) he's still a $5.4M third line LW as he's worse than Tkachuk and Gaudreau even when he was in his prime.
I thought Neal had a decent chance of bouncing back playing as the #2RW with Tkachuk and Backlund on a line that generates offensive off the cycle. He needed players who can carry/hold and distribute the puck to him in shooting positions. It was obvious Jankowski and Bennett were not those players, so it was a square peg round hole situation all of last year for him. I thought the organization would give him another opportunity this year but obviously the relationship must have been broken to the point where that shot wasn't going to happen.
The advanced stats posted earlier give some hope that perhaps crappy Neal was actually a bit worse than crappy Lucic, coupled with evidently saving a bit of money and perhaps getting a pick out of the swap, maybe this palatable. That is obviously contingent on not having to protect Lucic during the expansion draft which we should no soon enough (if the Flames agreed to keep the NMC or voided it). Perhaps having him on the team makes the rest of the guys play a bit bigger so you get some value out his presence that isn't recorded on the stat sheet (as Gaudreau mentioned that Big Ern helped them to do). He at least hits so if both him and Neal will be playing down the lineup on a boat anchor of a contract I suppose an enforcer is a better fit than a sniper that can't get a good shot off because he's behind the play.
Here's hoping that Lucic is the one to bounce back to near 20G & 40P like his days of old and not Neal, but the odds indicate that it's Neal who's primed for the bounce back. He'll either be with McDavid or RNH (both of whom are way better puck distributors than Jankowski) plus see a ton of power play time given the Oilers lack of good NHL forwards. Lucic will likely slot in on the third or fourth line and be counted on to lay the body and work to get the puck to his more talented (than he had on the Oilers) line mates. He might see PP2 time as the net front guy but I think a good season for him would be 15G and 30P only.
I have a feeling the deal blows up in Tre's face and we've just improved our rival, but I would love to be wrong. Hopefully the conditional pick is real and a good one and the owners use the cash savings between the rest of Neal and Lucic's contract term to improve the pro scouting to the point where we can avoid some of these bad fit UFA contracts that we have seen recently.
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07-19-2019, 04:20 PM
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#732
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Originally Posted by btimbit
People on other sites saying Friedman commented that there's no pick involved? Anyone else hear that? Must have been on the radio or tv or something, nothing on twitter. Didn't see it myself just passing on the rumour
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It was Friedman that actually said there would be a conditional pick in the first place.
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07-19-2019, 04:20 PM
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#733
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Jacks
Well I guess the bright side is we don't need to worry about the caveman hunting down our skilled players next year and that goofball Kassian should lose his courage.
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It's not like that was actually happening anyway. When Johnny gets slashed we are simply going to see Lucic take instigating penalties probably doubling down on bad situations.
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07-19-2019, 04:20 PM
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#734
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Franchise Player
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I’m not necessarily stoked on Lucic but so happy to be rid of Neal. Not only was he useless on the ice but he sure seemed cancerous with his complaining and general crappy attitude. There’s a reason he’s on his 6th team in 9 seasons. Can’t wait to see what his ego and abrasive attitude do to that fragile Oilers locker room.
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07-19-2019, 04:20 PM
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#735
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by bubbsy
The only way this isn't completely idiotic is if the oilers are eating $3M-$4M of his AAV.
He's a fine player at about $2M a year. If not, this is by far one of the dumbest moves I can see being made a flames GM in the last couple of decades.
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You realize Neal who is also negative value is going the other way right
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07-19-2019, 04:21 PM
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#736
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
Oh gotcha. I just disagree though with the idea that Neal will bounce back at all. He was terrible. At this point it's nearing healthy scratch for healthy scratch, given their recent play, so any additional cap-hit is a loss.
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A world where Neal remains a 25 point a year guy over 82 games and Lucic is a 20 point guy the Flames win the deal because of Lucic’s intangibles. 20 points seems like more of a ceiling for Lucic to me, whereas 25 points seems like more of a floor for Neal. Hopefully Neal continues his play from last season.
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07-19-2019, 04:22 PM
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#737
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Duffalufagus
If Neal was a free agent this year he would be able to sign a modest deal in a number of teams.
If Lucic was a free. Agent this year he’d be playing for rubbles in the Motherland.
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This is true.
Neal is looking for a 2nd chance this season after one bad season.
Lucic is looking for a 3rd chance to redeem himself. Most do not receive that (or deserve it).
Even when Lucic was tearing it up in Boston, he was the type of player that you knew would fall off earlier than most. It surprised no one that he hit 30 and collapsed.
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07-19-2019, 04:22 PM
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#738
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary Satellite Community
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Well if I have to find a positive, Lucic has the same kind of hunchback appearance to former Flame John Tonelli. I liked him at the time, so I am going to delude myself into thinking we got a new version of John Tonelli.
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07-19-2019, 04:22 PM
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#740
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by CN10
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Hmm. Those are some interesting points. I mean, I didn’t read any of them because wall of text, but still.
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