[News] City of Calgary, CSEC, & Calgary Stampede sign agreements for new Event Centre

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Just a little more green space and open beer consumption and we are set!

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by manwiches

I just came back from Vegas, and that area that is around the T Mobile Center is amazing. I didn't get to catch a game or be there during, but that was everything I imagined an arena and surrounding area should be. Beautiful, vibrant, full of establishments in and out, and a massive area to watch just outside.

The big area outside the arena is used really well for pre-game festivities. They have a caravan thing come in, dancers and music acts on a stage, and the Golden Knight guy goes around smack talking the opposing team a bunch. Even if you don't go in the arena to watch the game, it's easy to have fun there anyways.

[Sylvanfan]

The inverted bowl is interesting. One thing though is that you usually don't want to be the first group doing something new. My company did a new construction method for a 58 story building in Seattle and we met the schedule. We boast about it on linked in to no end. What gets kept quiet is the 35 million dollar loss on the project (originally a 30 million dollar contract) that will likely result in the end of the company by July.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

The inverted bowl is interesting. One thing though is that you usually don't want to be the first group doing something new. My company did a new construction method for a 58 story building in Seattle and we met the schedule. We boast about it on linked in to no end. What gets kept quiet is the 35 million dollar loss on the project (originally a 30 million dollar contract) that will likely result in the end of the company by July.

With city money involved I wouldn't expect something like that. The Flames won't want to pay full boat on cost over runs and the going to the City for more money will probably be a non-starter.

[Toonage]

This has been so long in the making they would be foolish to potentially mess it all up by being someone's pioneer project. Go with a proven design/concept.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

The inverted bowl is interesting. One thing though is that you usually don't want to be the first group doing something new. My company did a new construction method for a 58 story building in Seattle and we met the schedule. We boast about it on linked in to no end. What gets kept quiet is the 35 million dollar loss on the project (originally a 30 million dollar contract) that will likely result in the end of the company by July.

You guys used a new construction method on a lump sum project? Unless you had done a bunch of similar stuff and figured out all the kinks ahead of time that seems pretty risky.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

You guys used a new construction method on a lump sum project? Unless you had done a bunch of similar stuff and figured out all the kinks ahead of time that seems pretty risky.

Long story short...the new Construction means and methods were not the problem. It was routine everyday building code required items that the designer completely overlooked. I suspect largely due to the fascination with the new toy. I see this on almost every one of these new groundbreaking projects these days.

So we agree to do this work for unit rates and keep schedule. But at the end of the job the GC thinks there is 30,000 feet of bent plate at x dollars per foot added. We had 90,000 and no one wants to pay for the difference between 30 to 90 at the agreed rate.

Lesson to learn...design bid build and award all contracts based 100% low price on a new design concept will make a lot of work for lawyers for years to come after the building is opened.

They can try a new idea but not under that construction model. It would have to be a IPD or similar delivery method. But taxpayers seem to hate the idea that someone provide true costs and expected profit up front to do a project...certainly there has to be someone in the corporate welfare business who will help subsidize it?

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

The inverted bowl is interesting. One thing though is that you usually don't want to be the first group doing something new. My company did a new construction method for a 58 story building in Seattle and we met the schedule. We boast about it on linked in to no end. What gets kept quiet is the 35 million dollar loss on the project (originally a 30 million dollar contract) that will likely result in the end of the company by July.

You guys need some new estimators. They only missed by $65M,

[topfiverecords]

The inverted bowl concept is used and has been used in live theatre and music venues all over the world. Now it will just be wide enough to surround a hockey rink instead of orchestra seating.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

The inverted bowl concept is used and has been used in live theatre and music venues all over the world. Now it will just be wide enough to surround a hockey rink instead of orchestra seating.

Yeah but has anyone one that size? Either way it will be great value for the project to hire a realy good design team than try to save 500 grand by going with the low cost firm.