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[Benched]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Derek Wills @Fan960Wills
#Flames⁠ ⁠projected lines and pairings vs. #Panthers:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Bennett
Mangiapane-Jankowski-Neal
Frolik-Ryan-Hathaway

Keeping Stone's spot warm. :P

[Jore]

smith puts up those numbers against bottom feeders plus one inexplicable start against the capitals, a game which he lost for the flames, and rittich puts up those numbers against good teams. those numbers also include a game where he got pulled with a 66% save percentage and a 9 GAA and many garbage time goals against with multiple goal leads. they are not the same caliber of goalie despite myopic stat cherrypicking.

i'm at the acceptance stage of dealing with smith's trash fire season, but this sure seemed like it could have been an opportunity for rittich to get into a rhythm, which he never got because of the extended breaks and the aforementioned smith start, against lower quality competition. instead, we get to watch smith make an easily winnable game a 50/50 at best during a slump. i guess we can hope they'll outscore smith's league worst play again.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Nah, Rittich has been fine. I think you need to lower your expectations because he has played like a regular average NHL goalie in the past few games instead of "being amazing". Surely, he deserves some average games this season doesn't he?

Smith plays like trash though. I wish the Flames had another back-up who could play tonight though.

Rittich has played terribly. He was bad against Vancouver, he was bad against Tampa. Smith has also played terribly. He's bad against almost everyone.

League-average save percentage this year is lower, yeah, but .810 isn't even close to good, and .901 since November 25 isn't "average," it's below average. I want another goalie as soon as humanly possible because I am no longer convinced in Rittich's ability and definitely not Smith's.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Rittich has played like a bottom third backup since the Xmas break with a .896 save percentage in 14 appearances.

That save percentage would be a lot higher if you take away some of the last minute goals when the team is already up by 2 goals. You can give Smith the same luxury but generally he has already shat the bed with 1 minute to go in the game. The team also hasn't been playing very well for a few months now.

The way I measure it, I don't cringe every time a player takes a shot at Rittich. Can't say the same with Smith. That's good enough for me.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Bingo

https://twitter.com/user/status/1096088002407878656

Eric Francis @EricFrancis
Coach said Tkachuk is fine and will play tonight. Breath easy Calgary

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Rittich has played terribly. He was bad against Vancouver, he was bad against Tampa. Smith has also played terribly. He's bad against almost everyone.

League-average save percentage this year is lower, yeah, but .810 isn't even close to good, and .901 since November 25 isn't "average," it's below average. I want another goalie as soon as humanly possible because I am no longer convinced in Rittich's ability and definitely not Smith's.

San Jose game he didn't play very well. The first goal was bad but the second goal can be attributed to him being a young goalie and mistakes happen.

Vancouver game he allowed one bad and kept the team in until the shootout (2/3 saves). Not much more you can ask from your goalie, the Flames need to get at least 1 SO goal to win.

Tampa game the team just got outclassed and outworked.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

wow we've officially reached the point where blind anti-Smith people have resorted to calling widely-used statistics "meaningless" to suit their argument

https://twitter.com/user/status/1096087189388181504

I'm sorry, but both goalies have been very, very bad lately, to an almost identical extent. Flames need another guy in net, stat.

Hey kid, I called that stat meaningless, stand behind it all day long, and didn’t say a word about Smith.

If you are going to be a journalist, you should learn to choose your words to capture your intent more precisely. Unless you are going for Francis sensationalistic crap style. Then have at it.

I hope Smith has a good game

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bingo

https://twitter.com/user/status/1096088002407878656

Hopefully he'll channel that pain into someone else's pain.

[tvp2003]

I predict Neal scores two goals and loses another three teeth. Flames win 4-2.

GFG!

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

Why is Smith starting? I don't think Rittich has been THAT bad, and the thought of Smith in net is nerve racking. Feels like an automatic 3 goals against, maybe that's just me, but I don't like that decision at all.

He handles the puck really well.

<< ducks >>

[Redrum]

They've both struggled, but at least theres a decent chance Rittich can bounce back. Smith was confirmed done quite a while ago. That's understandably why people may be upset.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Hey kid, I called that stat meaningless, stand behind it all day long, and didn’t say a word about Smith.



If you are going to be a journalist, you should learn to choose your words to capture your intent more precisely. Unless you are going for Francis sensationalistic crap style. Then have at it.



I hope Smith has a good game

Well, that was uncalled for.

If you want to make claims about widely used statistics being “meaningless” then prove it. Otherwise, don’t condescend to other posters.

As for the game, I think this was probably earmarked as a start for Smith, but regardless of that, Rittich needs to be better. Period. They both do.


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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by keenan87

San Jose game he didn't play very well. The first goal was bad but the second goal can be attributed to him being a young goalie and mistakes happen.

Vancouver game he allowed one bad and kept the team in until the shootout (2/3 saves). Not much more you can ask from your goalie, the Flames need to get at least 1 SO goal to win.

Tampa game the team just got outclassed and outworked.

I thought he didn't come up with any big saves, and didn't hold his ground on at least one goal. No "bad" goals but no big saves.

In Vancouver he didn't play as well as the other guy, and the one bad goal he had was a difference maker in a one goal game (just like the ones Smith gets torched for in a number of instances).

Against SJ, I call his gaffe playing the puck a bad goal as well, so that's two, and they set the tone pretty early. He's sort of a roookie, true, but it's not like it was a new situation for him. And rookies who make rookie mistakes get understanding because of that, but they also get games off if they need it.

ETA: I think, like TC, that Smith was probably always penciled in for this game anyway. If Rittich pitches a SO maybe its different but otherwise, a midweek game on the road with one days rest for Rittich after three starts (counting SJ) is probably a Smith start anyway.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Hey kid, I called that stat meaningless, stand behind it all day long, and didn’t say a word about Smith.

If you are going to be a journalist, you should learn to choose your words to capture your intent more precisely. Unless you are going for Francis sensationalistic crap style. Then have at it.

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Sv% is a meaningless stat.

You didn't call that stat meaningless, you called save-percentage meaningless. It would be a slight to the foundations of journalism to use inference to assume that your quarrel specifically rested against the particular stat that I chose in my initial post. In journalism, we're taught to take words at their face value.

Verbatim, what you said is "Sv% is a meaningless stat," not "a three-game sample of save-percentage is too small and can be easily misconstrued to suit an argument." You can say that's what you meant, but after only reading your first post, I did not get that impression.

Please apply the precision you value so much to your own posts.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Rittich has been awful lately. .810 SV% in his last three games. Time for a little shakeup, nobody's earned the crease as of late.

Rittich has been fine, the Flames have been awful lately. If we play D like we have been Florida will put a 10 spot on us

[GranteedEV]

You could acquire Carey Price and it would only take Jordan Sigalet 30 games before Price is the latest Jonas Hiller.

[Puppet Guy]

Need some POTATO POWER tonight!:

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Rittich has been fine, the Flames have been awful lately. If we play D like we have been Florida will put a 10 spot on us

This has always been a bit of a "chicken or the egg" scenario for me.

Is a G playing worse because the D are allowing more difficult chances... or are the D playing worse because they're over compensating due to being nervous about allowing shots on their G.

[SmoggyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Puppet Guy

Need some POTATO, TURTLE AND FROG POWER tonight!:

FYP Puppetguy!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, that was uncalled for.

If you want to make claims about widely used statistics being “meaningless” then prove it. Otherwise, don’t condescend to other posters.

As for the game, I think this was probably earmarked as a start for Smith, but regardless of that, Rittich needs to be better. Period. They both do.


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Oh please. The poster throws out the term ‘blind anti-Smith yadda yadda’ responding to nothing but a comment on the utility of the statistic, and he or she should expect to be informed of that.

I had a discussion with Bingo about Rittich’s last game in another thread, talked a lot about shot quality and sv%. (Long story short, 30 muffins from the outside aren’t Stamkos one timers over the shoulder.) Not going to rehash it here.

[TheScorpion]

I have no intention of getting into an argument. (I'm a guy, you can call me "he").

I haven't read your discussion with Bingo. Can you link it? I'd be curious to learn about what you two talked about.