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Old 01-24-2019, 09:31 AM   #3881
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It's amazing how this trade has gone from "Oh God we just lost our best offensive D-man!" to now where we as fans are talking almost apologetically about how one-sided the thing looks.

I mean, cut a certain way, the Flames got 2 really good players and the Canes got a streaky, injury prone crash-and-bang (with some skill) winger, a D-man who is -7 and plays a soft game, and a prospect who probably won't sign there. Ouch. Now, that's being intentionally discharitable, but still, the trade has made Calgary far better then they were, and I don't think it's had anything like that effect on the Canes.

Hopefully for the Canes, Dougie improves or they figure out how to maximize him, and Fox signs there and does well.
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Old 01-24-2019, 09:36 AM   #3882
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The good news for the Canes is that, as he typically does, Hamilton is heating up offensively in the second half of the season. I thought that both he and Ferland (abbreviated appearance) were great in the game against the Flames.
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Old 01-24-2019, 09:38 AM   #3883
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If Hamilton could find a coach who could teach/convince him to play good D (he sure has the tools to do so) he'd be a bona fide number one d-man in this league.
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Old 01-24-2019, 09:51 AM   #3884
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If Hamilton could find a coach who could teach/convince him to play good D (he sure has the tools to do so) he'd be a bona fide number one d-man in this league.
And I feel like he's been seen as that his whole career - big, talented skater, who could dominate at lower levels, but at the NHL level needed to commit to a more engaged defensive style, and hasn't done. The ceiling is obvious, and I think that's what the Flames banked on when they acquired him (and why the Bruins didn't get too upset about not keeping him, they play a very engaged physical hockey).

I never thought Dougie looked good as a defender, I thought Gio made up for Dougie's defensive lapses. Great to have a trailing D-man with a magic shot,but even better to have a mean, tough, engaged D-man with commitment, and suddenly we have a few of those (Gio, Hammer, and Andersson).
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Old 01-24-2019, 09:55 AM   #3885
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And I feel like he's been seen as that his whole career - big, talented skater, who could dominate at lower levels, but at the NHL level needed to commit to a more engaged defensive style, and hasn't done. The ceiling is obvious, and I think that's what the Flames banked on when they acquired him (and why the Bruins didn't get too upset about not keeping him, they play a very engaged physical hockey).

I never thought Dougie looked good as a defender, I thought Gio made up for Dougie's defensive lapses. Great to have a trailing D-man with a magic shot,but even better to have a mean, tough, engaged D-man with commitment, and suddenly we have a few of those (Gio, Hammer, and Andersson).
In hindsight, I feel like Hamilton was not a guy who used the other skaters that well. He has a world class wrister, so he can score. But he wasn't a guy who could distribute the puck as well as Gio, or even Brodie does now.

Defensively, I think Hamilton probably got away with a lot in junior due to size, skating and reach, so he didn't have to position himself as well, or bodycheck much. NHL needs more positional awareness. Huska is supposedly a D-whisperer but he never got his hands on Hamilton. I wonder if he'd have done anything.
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Old 01-24-2019, 01:33 PM   #3886
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The one thing I hadn't really processed, is that "poor" Adam Fox got traded from a team stocked with promising young D and a blueline already set for a while, to one of only a handful of teams that are deeper in young D. It's a good insurance policy of Treliving to increase the likelihood of Fox becoming a free agent, though I doubt that was the reason
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Old 01-24-2019, 04:08 PM   #3887
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Burke was on the morning show and the trade came up. He mentioned he takes no credit for the trade as it was done after he left. What he did mention is the organization was really high on Hanifin. Says Hamilton has better puck skills, but Hanifin is younger and really making strides.

Also mentioned that in his conversations with Fox's agent, he was told Fox would be a four year college player. So the risk of losing for nothing seems to have been established early on. Burke also doesn't think he will sign in Carolina. Reading between the lines it looks like to get him out of college early there will have to be an incentive (i.e. roster spot).
Burke also said that Ferland had checked out the end of last season. No one could get to him, so including him in the deal was easy. If that’s the case, doesn’t sound like there would be any interest in bringing him back
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Old 01-24-2019, 09:49 PM   #3888
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In hindsight, I feel like Hamilton was not a guy who used the other skaters that well. He has a world class wrister, so he can score. But he wasn't a guy who could distribute the puck as well as Gio, or even Brodie does now.

Defensively, I think Hamilton probably got away with a lot in junior due to size, skating and reach, so he didn't have to position himself as well, or bodycheck much. NHL needs more positional awareness. Huska is supposedly a D-whisperer but he never got his hands on Hamilton. I wonder if he'd have done anything.

That was the argument I made before the Hamilton trade went down - that I would rather keep Brodie as Brodie actually makes the other players on the ice better. I always felt that Hamilton was the superior goal scorer, but in all other areas Brodie was the better defencemen, even though he just finished having a down second season.
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Old 01-24-2019, 09:58 PM   #3889
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What do you think the Oilers would pay for Hamilton? first + Nuge + Yamamota ? If Chia was still around I would say for sure .... its unfortunate we don't get to watch him manage 1 more trade deadline.
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Old 01-24-2019, 10:10 PM   #3890
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In hindsight, I feel like Hamilton was not a guy who used the other skaters that well. He has a world class wrister, so he can score. But he wasn't a guy who could distribute the puck as well as Gio, or even Brodie does now.

Defensively, I think Hamilton probably got away with a lot in junior due to size, skating and reach, so he didn't have to position himself as well, or bodycheck much. NHL needs more positional awareness. Huska is supposedly a D-whisperer but he never got his hands on Hamilton. I wonder if he'd have done anything.
Huska's made Prout better, so I have no doubt he would've helped Hamilton. However, Hamilton has absolutely zero positional ability, especially in regards with his stick, so it would've been one hell of a slog.
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Old 01-24-2019, 10:56 PM   #3891
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Huska's made Prout better, so I have no doubt he would've helped Hamilton. However, Hamilton has absolutely zero positional ability, especially in regards with his stick, so it would've been one hell of a slog.
One would hope he would at least minimize the dumb penalties.
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So true, Hamilton's instinct is to go for the hook when he's beaten.
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Old 01-25-2019, 12:37 PM   #3893
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CGY moved some prime draft picks in recent years so Treliving be able to recoup 2, 5th OA picks back is just amazing.

104 - 6 - 5
6 - 24 - 10
4 - 21 - 33
166 - ND - ND

ND - 114
5 - 53
60 - 53

ND

10 starters drafted by the team. All but 1 of the not drafted (ND) signed to first contract by CGY.

Well done Treliving and hockey ops.



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Bit of a bump, but one of concerns with trading Hamilton was points from the D. In the last 4 years, the D production has been:

14/15: 45G, 195P
15/16: 51G, 203P
16/17: 44G, 176P
17/18: 40G, 146P

As a rule of thumb, most playoff teams get at least 150 pts from the blueline, and the teams that don't get 150 don't make the playoffs.

Last year there was a lot of debate about whether the team lacked talent or if Gulutzan was sapping the life from them. Well, with Hamilton out and Hanifin in, the Flames have already surpassed last year's numbers.

18/19: 33G, 147P (47G, 208P pace)
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