07-25-2013, 11:43 AM
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He should have just stopped at taxing and regulating it, I can see the benefit of that but who is he kidding when he says it’s one of the only ways to keep it out of the hands of our kids?
Kids will get their hands on it either way, just like they do with taxed and regulated alcohol, it will be no better or worse than it is now.
Just tell it like it is,pot is a billion dollar industry and by taxing it the government can get a piece of the pie.
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07-25-2013, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Bootsy
He should have just stopped at taxing and regulating it, I can see the benefit of that but who is he kidding when he says it’s one of the only ways to keep it out of the hands of our kids?
Kids will get their hands on it either way, just like they do with taxed and regulated alcohol, it will be no better or worse than it is now.
Just tell it like it is,pot is a billion dollar industry and by taxing it the government can get a piece of the pie.
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I'm all for taxing it. Its a voluntary revenue stream, there are taxes on smokes and taxes on booze, the only right thing is taxes on grass. Package it up, mandate who can grow it with licenses and put it for sale in liquor stores.
If you want to grow it, treat it like a wine kit. You can buy the kit, grow it but you can't sell it.
If you're caught selling it illegally to kids, then its off to a work farm for a summer.
I don't care about the other stuff that was mentioned before, even thought since it is mind altering you shouldn't be driving with the stuff. But there are studies that grass is not good for a developing mind, so I'm not excepting of the whole they're going to get it anyways.
With the money made on taxes, more can be spent fighting the other worse drugs out there in terms of education and bullets for drug dealers.
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07-25-2013, 12:01 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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This law has been on the books for decades, it was enacted in 1988.
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07-25-2013, 12:09 PM
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Location: Vancouver
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Must...resist.....urge....to...vote....for....him. .....
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07-25-2013, 10:32 PM
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He's got the BC vote sewn up
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07-25-2013, 11:46 PM
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tromboner
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Citation? Not trying to be a smart, legitimately not sure which policy you're referring to.
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"Safe Streets and Communities Act" ... a.k.a. the omnibus crime bill (C-10).
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07-26-2013, 04:27 AM
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle13426993/
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The Conservative government stated that it will remain opposed to any loosening of Canada’s drug laws, which it has toughened since coming to office in 2006.
“These drugs are illegal because of the harmful effect they have on users and on society, including violent crime. Our government has no interest in seeing any of these drugs legalized or made more easily available to youth,” the Prime Minister’s Office said in a statement.
Employment and Social Development Minister Jason Kenney said on Twitter that Mr. Trudeau’s position was “irresponsible,” and the Conservative Party released a series of statements from police officials and health experts against the legalization of marijuana.
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07-26-2013, 05:34 AM
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I cannot imagine that violent crime would go up upon legalization.
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07-26-2013, 05:47 AM
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The only problem I have with something like this is that the min age needs to be above 18. 21 at minimum, absolutely.
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07-26-2013, 07:23 AM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by nik-
Combine this with the bull#### new mandatory minimums that the Conservatives put in and it might be. "This day and age" goes out the window when the government just enacted a policy straight out of the 80's mindset.
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Not too many people are going to get up in arms at mandatory minimum sentences. Right or wrong, apathy will rule the day there.
As far as Trudeau's view, a transparent attempt at painting himself as being "progressive". I have no problem with decriminalization or legalization of marijuana - to each their own - but the "won't somebody think of the children?" aspect is rather insulting to one's intelligence.
The government will no more be able to keep joints away from kids via regulation than it does cigarettes and alcohol. There are good arguments in favour of changing the laws. That simply isn't one of them.
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07-26-2013, 07:34 AM
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A big concern i have on this issue is people who drive while high. It concerns me the same way that drunk driving does.
Any word on the existence of a breathalyzer equivalent for marijuana?
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07-26-2013, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by killer_carlson
A big concern i have on this issue is people who drive while high. It concerns me the same way that drunk driving does.
Any word on the existence of a breathalyzer equivalent for marijuana?
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Not sure they need one...
In all seriousness though, the risk of someone driving high is no higher than the risk of someone driving drunk, and drinking is legal. If someone is going to drive impaired, I'm not sure they care what they are impaired by. making it legal doesn't make driving under the influence legal. And having it illegal doesn't stop people from driving while using it, the same way it doesn't stop people from using it in general.
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07-26-2013, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by killer_carlson
A big concern i have on this issue is people who drive while high. It concerns me the same way that drunk driving does.
Any word on the existence of a breathalyzer equivalent for marijuana?
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They waive a twinkie under the drivers nose, if he or she starts drooling its a bust.
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07-26-2013, 12:01 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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There's no good way of testing drivers for marijuana use as their impairment varies greatly depending on a huge variety of factors and THC is metabolized differently. You can't just set a number... Not that it matters though. If it's legalized MADD will ensure that it's slapped with some arbitrary limit and will then push until that limit is zero.
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07-26-2013, 01:40 PM
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tromboner
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
As far as Trudeau's view, a transparent attempt at painting himself as being "progressive".
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Can't it just be good policy its own sake? Not everything is a vote buy. But even if it were, I'd rather a party buy votes with good policy (marijuana legalization) than with bad policy (GST cut, Ralph bucks).
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07-26-2013, 02:28 PM
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Location: Victoria
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Originally Posted by SebC
Can't it just be good policy its own sake? Not everything is a vote buy. But even if it were, I'd rather a party buy votes with good policy (marijuana legalization) than with bad policy (GST cut, Ralph bucks).
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Yeah, I didn't get that comment either. Is it not possible that Trudeau recognizes the folly in prohibition? As far as the "think of the children" aspect, I actually agree that legalization makes it easier to keep away from kids. The easiest way to do this would be to impose harsh sentences for selling to a minor.
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07-26-2013, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rubecube
Yeah, I didn't get that comment either. Is it not possible that Trudeau recognizes the folly in prohibition? As far as the "think of the children" aspect, I actually agree that legalization makes it easier to keep away from kids. The easiest way to do this would be to impose harsh sentences for selling to a minor.
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Because that works oh so well for cigarettes and alcohol?
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07-26-2013, 02:39 PM
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The average high school kid at present has an easier time finding weed (illegal) than alcohol (legal).
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07-26-2013, 02:42 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2012
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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
The average high school kid at present has an easier time finding weed (illegal) than alcohol (legal).
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What are you basing this on?
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07-26-2013, 02:46 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
The average high school kid at present has an easier time finding weed (illegal) than alcohol (legal).
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Do most parents have weed cabinets in their basement?
Its easier for a child to buy weed vs alcohol but not get access to, at least everywhere outside of Vancouver Island
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