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Old 01-10-2018, 02:35 PM   #41
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I am guessing you Google'd a discrediting of the JAL case to continue playing devil's advocate, didn't you
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Old 01-10-2018, 02:40 PM   #42
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I am guessing you Google'd a discrediting of the JAL case to continue playing devil's advocate, didn't you
You should always google "mysterious event" + "skeptic" or "debunked", to get the other (more likely) side of the story.

Or, I am MIB, and you darn kids are getting too close to the truth!
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Not directed at you troutman, but I do think it interesting that the evidence of debunking any issue is from a series of really crappy websites by people with no access nor expertise to complete any real inquiry into the subject matter. They are usually backed up by the likes of Popular Mechanics and Scientific American (oh my, how that publication has fallen) as their body of research. And we know those two giants are never wrong (where's my flying car damn it!). When governments and government agencies have been studying the subject matter for decades, and continue to study it, even when they deny it, I would think that would count for something? Just goes to show that once you have your mind set on something, it is unlikely you will ever change your mind, regardless of supporting data.

DISCLAIMER: The preceding comment was not a statement of belief about anything, or endorsement of any position. I approach this like I approach organized religion. I keep an open mind, but until someone provides proof one way or another, I'll be skeptical of information coming from all parties.
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[Terauchi] always failed to mention that two other aircraft in the area that were vectored into the vicinity of the JAL 747 to try to spot the UFO he had been reporting were unable to see any such object... [Flight Engineer Yoshio Tsukuba] "was not sure whether the object was a UFO or not"... When the copilot [Takanori Tamefuji] was asked if he could distinguish these lights "as being different" from a star, he replied: "No."

The bottom line is, Terauchi's own flight crew saw only 'lights,' and other aircraft checking out the situation saw nothing unusual.

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Co-pilot Tamefuji described the lights as “Christmas assorted” lights with a “salmon” color. He said: I remember red or orange, and white landing light, just like a landing light. And weak green, ah, blinking. He also described the lights as pulsating slowly. They became stronger, became weaker., became stronger, became weaker, different from strobe lights. The lights were “swinging” in unison as if there were “very good formation flight…close” of two aircraft side by side. He described the appearance of the lights as similar to seeing “night flight head-on traffic”, where it is only possible to see the lights on an approaching aircraft and “we can not see the total shape.” He said, I’m sure I saw something. It was clear enough to make me believe that there was an oncoming aircraft.

Flight engineer Tsukuba, who sat behind the copilot, did not have as good a view of the lights. He first saw them “through the L1 window at the 11 o’clock position” and he saw “clusters of lights undulating”. These clusters were “made of two parts…shaped like windows of an airplane”. He emphasized that “the lights in front of us were different from town lights.” He described the colors as white or amber.
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When the planes were about 12 miles apart, the UA plane reported seeing the JAL plane and nothing else. But by this time the UFO had apparently disappeared, not being seen by JAL1628, either.

The FAA conducted an investigation of the incident, and did not issue its final report until March 5. CSICOP’s (Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal)Phil Klass issued a premature statement on January 22 claiming that the UFOs were the planets Jupiter and Mars – an impossible solution because the UFO was seen in a part of the sky opposite the position of these planets and because the UFOs moved from positions one above the other to side by side. CSICOP later issued a second explanation that the UFO was light reflecting off of clouds of ice crystals – also unlikely because the sky was clear at the reported altitude of the UFO. The FAA attributed the radar images received by ground radar to a “split radar return from the JAL Boeing 747.”


http://www.thinkaboutitdocs.com/1986...s-flight-1628/
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Old 01-11-2018, 02:58 AM   #45
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We tend to underestimate the inginuity and creativity of these ancient civilizations. We are the same people, just with More technology. Especially on a cosmological timeline.
yep. Agreed and agreed. i've travelled around the world observing and appreciating cultures. Certain civilizations lose respect for lack of a written word, or because their pyramids dont look as fancy as those in Egypt. I've seen world heritage sites in person, i've seen ancient structures and municipalities across the planet.

And then there is the Nasca lines. Which in my opinion are some of the most amazing feats of architecture and engineering. They have to be seen to be fully appreciated. Seriously. All sorts of theories as to how or why - as with many great ancient accomplishments. But this spot....If you're into UFOs, this is a must (in my opinion).

The lines are estimated to be 2000 years old, but you can't see them from the ground. There is no evidence of structures having been built to oversee the creation from above. They weren't "discovered" until airplanes. After having seen them in person, i honestly do not know how they could have drawn them without being in the air.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/a...y/nasca-lines/

http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/700

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...an-desert.html
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Old 01-11-2018, 09:05 AM   #46
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The lines are estimated to be 2000 years old, but you can't see them from the ground. There is no evidence of structures having been built to oversee the creation from above. They weren't "discovered" until airplanes. After having seen them in person, i honestly do not know how they could have drawn them without being in the air.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/a...y/nasca-lines/

http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/700

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...an-desert.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazca_Lines#Purpose

Determining how they were made has been easier than figuring why they were made. Scholars have theorized the Nazca people could have used simple tools and surveying equipment to construct the lines. Archaeological surveys have found wooden stakes in the ground at the end of some lines, which support this theory. One such stake was carbon-dated and was the basis for establishing the age of the design complex. Prominent skeptic Joe Nickell, refuting the "ancient astronaut" hypothosis of Erich von Däniken, has reproduced the figures using tools and technology available to the Nazca people. Scientific American called his work "remarkable in its exactness" when compared to the actual lines.[14] With careful planning and simple technologies, a small team of people could recreate even the largest figures within days, without any aerial assistance.[13]
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http://archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/nazca-lines

How Were the Lines Made?
Fortunately one thing that most scientists can agree upon is how the lines were made. At first the enormity and preciseness of the lines seems to point to a remarkable feat of engineering. Many of the drawings must also be viewed arially to see them in their entirety, and thus it was thought that it would have required an airborn observer to aid the artists in creating the precise figures and proportions we see today. However, according to Dr. Persis B. Clarkson, an archaeologist and geoglyph expert at the University of Winnipeg “ It was not a difficult technology.all you need is the will.” It would have just taken careful and diligent attention to sight the lines. To prove this, a group of 10 Earthwatch volunteers helped an astronomer and anthropologist, Anthony Aveni, in a study of the Nazca lines. In just and hour and a half, without a printed plan, they created a straight line winding into a spiral 35 meters long and one meter wide. Splitting into groups, each one performed a different task, and the result was, according to Aveni, a figure as accurate as any Nazca drawing measured with a surveyor’s instrument. It is fairly conclusive that it was not necessary for the Nazca to have possessed great mathematical or engineering skills to create the figures or lines in the desert. It was possible simply by people working together with their eyes and hands. So there is one of the mysteries cleared up.
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Loved that last site trout! Learned a lot about surfing in India thanks to the links on the side. Awesome stuff.
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Old 01-19-2018, 09:23 PM   #49
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This probably belongs in here:

Alberta man part of California lawsuit to prove sasquatch is real: ‘We can’t lose’


https://globalnews.ca/news/3976676/a...uatch-lawsuit/
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Ex-Navy Pilot Describes Encounter With Tic-Tac-Shaped UFO





http://www.newsweek.com/ufo-sighting...-object-752359



Watching the "perfect" tracking of this UFO had my "spidey sense" tingling and it seems others more qualified agree, I also had a hard time believing the pentagon would ever allow the release of such a video if it was real.

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Dr Francisco Diego of UCL’s Science and Astronomy Department has said that the video is probably fake and that there is zero probability of alien life in the two videos released by the NY Times.

He compares the video to a ‘badly made video game’ stating that the clouds in the video are fake, having a very strange illumination.

https://busy.org/news/@sauravrungta/...-navy-released
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Alberta man part of California lawsuit to prove sasquatch is real: ‘We can’t lose’


https://globalnews.ca/news/3976676/a...uatch-lawsuit/
A publicity stunt of some sort.

Proof has never been easier than it is today, yet, nobody (including this guy) is able to provide the proof.
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Proof has never been easier than it is today, yet, nobody (including this guy) is able to provide the proof.
I don't know what to think of the whole bigfoot thing. New species are being discovered every year. 2017 saw three new species of primates discovered, including a great ape! The Tapanuli orangutan is a relative of the Sumatran, but it still existed undiscovered in a remote part of Borneo. Surprising that no one ever found a body up until this year? Not really. Anyone who hunts will tell you that coming across a carcass is a rare thing as nature consumes the dead and scatters the remains very quickly. Nocturnal animals are also very elusive because we just aren't around when they are. Much of the "high quality" technology we carry around is also useless in the dark, at great distances, or when something is in field of view where autofocus doesn't work.

I agree, if a bigfoot or sasquatch or any other unknown creature were walking down Stephen Avenue, it would be pretty quickly discovered and clear evidence emerge. But just poking around youtube trying to see what was out there has produced some interesting results.





Interesting part at 1:35.

I don't know what to think of this stuff, but I am not going to completely dismiss the possibility of us not having discovered all species in our environment. Heck, even in Calgary's own backyard.



Just a couple more than I found intriguing.





I'm hesitant to dismiss something when there is evidence to suggest the existence of an animal. We have unidentified hair and DNA, we have scat, we have tracks and we have finger prints. In a court of law that evidence is enough to establish the existence of someone in a location and convict them of a crime. But I get it, without a body it is hard to firmly establish the existence of something. I guess we'll just have to wait for the elusive body.
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I don't know what to think of the whole bigfoot thing. New species are being discovered every year. 2017 saw three new species of primates discovered, including a great ape! The Tapanuli orangutan is a relative of the Sumatran, but it still existed undiscovered in a remote part of Borneo. Surprising that no one ever found a body up until this year? Not really. Anyone who hunts will tell you that coming across a carcass is a rare thing as nature consumes the dead and scatters the remains very quickly. Nocturnal animals are also very elusive because we just aren't around when they are. Much of the "high quality" technology we carry around is also useless in the dark, at great distances, or when something is in field of view where autofocus doesn't work.

I agree, if a bigfoot or sasquatch or any other unknown creature were walking down Stephen Avenue, it would be pretty quickly discovered and clear evidence emerge. But just poking around youtube trying to see what was out there has produced some interesting results.



Interesting part at 1:35.

I don't know what to think of this stuff, but I am not going to completely dismiss the possibility of us not having discovered all species in our environment. Heck, even in Calgary's own backyard.



Just a couple more than I found intriguing.


I'm hesitant to dismiss something when there is evidence to suggest the existence of an animal. We have unidentified hair and DNA, we have scat, we have tracks and we have finger prints. In a court of law that evidence is enough to establish the existence of someone in a location and convict them of a crime. But I get it, without a body it is hard to firmly establish the existence of something. I guess we'll just have to wait for the elusive body.
kind of misleading, they were discovered in the 1930s and reclassified as a separate species in 2017.
I think there's been so much logging that there's hardly an untouched forest left in North America. A satellite image of BC looks like a quilt pattern of clear cut patches, even up north. A large percentage of the Alexander Archipelago in Alaska has even been logged. Surely some hard evidence would have popped up by now. Theres no fossil evidence either.
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Truck Driver Plows Over Peru's 2,000-Year-Old Nazca Lines, Leaving 'Deep Scars'

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ntent=20180131

A semitrailer driver ignored warning signs and drove over Peru's famous Nazca Lines on Saturday, causing significant damage to the UNESCO World Heritage site.
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