04-12-2021, 11:00 PM
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#41
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
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Originally Posted by Macho0978
I may be wrong but Ruzicka doesn’t need to be protected in expansion draft? With 15 or so games left maybe a reason why he gets call over Phillips? Size too and sutter as coach but it would be nice to see him play well and not risk losing him too
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I don't know about Ruzicka, but I was surprised to find out about Phillips being eligible.
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04-12-2021, 11:05 PM
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#42
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Yup this is Phillips' third pro season, which makes him eligible. And Ruzicka is exempt.
Am I crazy for thinking the Flames could probably expose Backlund and not risk him being picked? I think Seattle probably would have very little interest in taking that contract.
If the Flames expose Backlund and get Lucic to waive, I seriously wonder if they use the seventh slot on Phillips.
Here are their other options (assuming 13, 19, 23, 28, 29, and 88 are protected):
Ryan (UFA), Leivo (UFA), Froese, Robinson (UFA), Kirkland, Rinaldo (UFA), Ritchie (UFA), Gawdin, Simon, Nordstrom (RFA)
I 100% protect Phillips over all those guys. I think Backlund's contract might protect itself... so why bother protecting it?
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04-12-2021, 11:11 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
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I think they would 100% take Backlund IMO...Seattle will have more trouble with the cap floor than the ceiling
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04-12-2021, 11:12 PM
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#44
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Yup this is Phillips' third pro season, which makes him eligible. And Ruzicka is exempt.
Am I crazy for thinking the Flames could probably expose Backlund and not risk him being picked? I think Seattle probably would have very little interest in taking that contract.
If the Flames expose Backlund and get Lucic to waive, I seriously wonder if they use the seventh slot on Phillips.
Here are their other options (assuming 13, 19, 23, 28, 29, and 88 are protected):
Ryan (UFA), Leivo (UFA), Froese, Robinson (UFA), Kirkland, Rinaldo (UFA), Ritchie (UFA), Gawdin, Simon, Nordstrom (RFA)
I 100% protect Phillips over all those guys. I think Backlund's contract might protect itself... so why bother protecting it?
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You asked it so I'll answer. Yes you are crazy. There is zero chance that Phillips is protected over Backlund.
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04-12-2021, 11:13 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
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Guess I don’t see the big risk in exposing Phillips. Backlund hasn’t been great but I don’t think he’s in negative value territory yet.
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04-12-2021, 11:18 PM
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#46
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Scoring Winger
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Seattle takes Backlund then eats part of his contract and trades him for multiple assets of picks and prospects. Phillips has never played an NHL game no way Seattle could trade him for multiple assets.
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04-12-2021, 11:18 PM
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#47
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First Line Centre
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Hopefully we can look forward to a few AHL guys getting a few games in and see if any are ready to make the leap.
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04-12-2021, 11:24 PM
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#48
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Franchise Player
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If you can get out of Backlunds contract you do it. Hes turning 33 next year and has term. Use him to make room for Skinner when Eichel gets here.
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04-12-2021, 11:57 PM
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#49
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Franchise Player
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6'4" over 200lbs - Nice. Shoots Left Let's see how he does up in the big league.
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04-13-2021, 12:12 AM
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#50
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Franchise Player
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Looks like Backlund might take on some of the Bennett hate now.
When Backlund is the Flames best player, the Flames usually win.
The Flames usually lose when Backlund is playing like crap.
That kinda tells you how important he is.
He has struggled this year and i'll chalk it up to being a new dad coupled with the Covid thing. His teammates haven't really helped him out much. Not sure what Monahan, Gaudreau and Tkachuk's excuse is. Those guys are in their prime and don't really have the home life issues to deal with.
For all the hate he's taking this year, he's still on his usual 50 point pace and he's played most of the year with Lucic who happens to be having his best year in awhile, while Tkachuk is struggling without Backlund.
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04-13-2021, 01:34 AM
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#51
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Yup this is Phillips' third pro season, which makes him eligible. And Ruzicka is exempt.
Am I crazy for thinking the Flames could probably expose Backlund and not risk him being picked? I think Seattle probably would have very little interest in taking that contract.
If the Flames expose Backlund and get Lucic to waive, I seriously wonder if they use the seventh slot on Phillips.
Here are their other options (assuming 13, 19, 23, 28, 29, and 88 are protected):
Ryan (UFA), Leivo (UFA), Froese, Robinson (UFA), Kirkland, Rinaldo (UFA), Ritchie (UFA), Gawdin, Simon, Nordstrom (RFA)
I 100% protect Phillips over all those guys. I think Backlund's contract might protect itself... so why bother protecting it?
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Yea there is no chance of that happening.
I’m a proponent of trading Backlund but leaving him exposed would be pure madness. He has value throughout the league and Phillips is a complete unknown at the NHL level.
Even if we traded Backlund for futures I bet the Flames would just use the last slot on Lucic.
I think it would be pretty u likely for NHL teams to protect an AHL prospect over established NHLers unless they are blue chippers and/or they don’t have very good NHLers to protect.
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04-13-2021, 01:42 AM
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#52
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by 868904
Looks like Backlund might take on some of the Bennett hate now.
When Backlund is the Flames best player, the Flames usually win.
The Flames usually lose when Backlund is playing like crap.
That kinda tells you how important he is.
He has struggled this year and i'll chalk it up to being a new dad coupled with the Covid thing. His teammates haven't really helped him out much. Not sure what Monahan, Gaudreau and Tkachuk's excuse is. Those guys are in their prime and don't really have the home life issues to deal with.
For all the hate he's taking this year, he's still on his usual 50 point pace and he's played most of the year with Lucic who happens to be having his best year in awhile, while Tkachuk is struggling without Backlund.
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I don’t think it’s very fair to give Backlund a pass but call out the other guys.
I realize his life has changed but I don’t think it is an acceptable excuse for a professional athlete.
Backlund is getting older and I don’t think he should be a guy we are unwilling to move on from.
Both Backlund and Gio have been the longest standing Flames and if you want to talk about changing the core here it should start with those two.
They are older and it would be wise to trade them while they hold value because the eye should be on the future.
There are players that are here that can be a part of that future but the astute thing would be to move on from the assets that are the oldest and will only get less effective as age continues to catch up with them.
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04-13-2021, 08:23 AM
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#53
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Powerplay Quarterback
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If you want to bottom out to get any of the possible franchise/superstar players in the next few drafts, then you expose Backlund or trade him. Which is a good or bad thing depending on how you view the Flames.
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04-13-2021, 08:34 AM
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#54
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bdubbs
If you want to bottom out to get any of the possible franchise/superstar players in the next few drafts, then you expose Backlund or trade him. Which is a good or bad thing depending on how you view the Flames.
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Well, the Flames are not bottoming out. And there is also no way they are exposing Backlund in the expansion draft. If he is left exposed then they will lose him. Backlund would likely be the best forward available in the entire NHL if this happened.
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04-13-2021, 09:20 AM
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#55
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Lifetime Suspension
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Outside of a 4 game stretch early in the season where he got 12 points in 4 games, he's only had 7 points in the other 18 games.
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04-13-2021, 09:30 AM
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#56
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matata
Outside of a 4 game stretch early in the season where he got 12 points in 4 games, he's only had 7 points in the other 18 games.
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Your point?
NHLers all score in bunches.
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04-13-2021, 10:05 AM
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#57
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
Flames'll play him too. Consider it an early audition for a full time spot next season. He's not called up to sit as a healthy scratch or practice with the taxi squad. The team has vets like Robinson and Froese that can do that.
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Flames have in the past called up guys to watch a few games, get some NHL practices in and make an NHL salary
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04-13-2021, 10:13 AM
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#58
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bdubbs
If you want to bottom out to get any of the possible franchise/superstar players in the next few drafts, then you expose Backlund or trade him. Which is a good or bad thing depending on how you view the Flames.
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They will not expose him in expansion. Trading Bennett all but ensures that, if there was ever any doubt which to me there wasn’t.
Having said that, talking about Backlund like he is our most important forward is crazy.
Life will go on without Backlund. I love the player but some people talk like he is the key to this teams success.
If that is the case then we are in major trouble.
He is a 32 yo 3rd line C.
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04-13-2021, 10:19 AM
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#59
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanCharles
They will not expose him in expansion. Trading Bennett all but ensures that, if there was ever any doubt which to me there wasn’t.
Having said that, talking about Backlund like he is our most important forward is crazy.
Life will go on without Backlund. I love the player but some people talk like he is the key to this teams success.
If that is the case then we are in major trouble.
He is a 32 yo 3rd line C.
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Third-line centres do not routinely produce at a 50-point pace every season. Since 2017 Backlund is the #51 highest scoring centre in the NHL, and that is all with some of the toughest defensive assignments each and every game.
Mikael Backlund is a NHL top-six centre, and he has been for a pretty long time.
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04-13-2021, 10:26 AM
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#60
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uranus
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Yup this is Phillips' third pro season, which makes him eligible. And Ruzicka is exempt.
Am I crazy for thinking the Flames could probably expose Backlund and not risk him being picked? I think Seattle probably would have very little interest in taking that contract.
If the Flames expose Backlund and get Lucic to waive, I seriously wonder if they use the seventh slot on Phillips.
Here are their other options (assuming 13, 19, 23, 28, 29, and 88 are protected):
Ryan (UFA), Leivo (UFA), Froese, Robinson (UFA), Kirkland, Rinaldo (UFA), Ritchie (UFA), Gawdin, Simon, Nordstrom (RFA)
I 100% protect Phillips over all those guys. I think Backlund's contract might protect itself... so why bother protecting it?
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If Backlund were available he would be gone and possibly among the best players to be exposed. His contract is not a hinderance in the slightest to the Flames or any other team for what he brings to the table.
This Ruzicka call up is long overdue. The team better give him an honest shot to earn a significant role down the stretch. Even 10 games with significant minutes could lead to him being a serious contributor next season.
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