What “save the season” trade would you like?

[Harry Lime]

Backlund, Calgary 2nd
to Pittsburgh for
Galchenyuk, Pittsburgh 1st

Frolik, Jankowski
to Buffalo for
Miller, Thompson

Hamonic (salary retained)
to Whomever
1st + UFA cap dump

Entertain Gaudreau offers at the deadline or offseason.

Wait, did you mean save the season for the Flames, or for my own entertainment value? I went with latter.

[Samonadreau]

Why even try to 'save the season', do whats best to actually make this team a contender. I'm ok if thats a few years away, just no more mediocrity, please.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Time to draft a bona fide star. Who are we tanking for?

For me, I'm all in for Byfield or Alexander Holtz. Anton Lundell a close 3rd. Get to know those 3. Lafrenierre would be neat as we already have big Z.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by AC

I can't imagine replacing Peters fixes this team. If the players have quit on the coach then they're not the right players IMO.

Johnny is looking every bit like the player we were worried he really was when the games matter.

As much as I like Bennett, it's easy to see that having our highest pick in franchise history turn into a grinder 3rd liner and not a franchise player has completely destroyed our team's window.

Now we're a middle of the pack team that won't bottom out enough to get the elite talent needed to win. Problem is even if we sell Gaudreau for a king's ransom and go for the tank, I have very little confidence in the players or picks we get back working out. Look what Iginla, Bouwmeester, Regehr, Cammalleri, Kiprusoff, etc. turned into for example.

Ya pretty much time to find a new team to cheer for.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Save the season plan A:
- Trade each of Backlund, Brodie, Bennett, Frolik, Hamonic, Jankowski and Ryan for picks.
- Call some players up to replace them.
- Suck for the rest of the year.
- Draft a boatload of players in the offseason, hopefully at least one very high first round pick.

I would consider this season a huge success if that were to happen.

Then:
- Watch as few, if any, of these mid-round picks pan out to anything
- Wait years for our first rounders to become another Jankowski
- Gaudreau traded for a late first and Hanowski types at the deadline before he’s a FA
- Giordano retires
- Rittich leaves as free agent
- Monahan then becomes Backlund now
- Tkachuk fails to carry a bunch of scrubs. Requests trade.
- All before the Lucic contract is even off the books

At least we wouldn’t need many protection slots in the Seattle expansion draft.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Then:
- Watch as few, if any, of these mid-round picks pan out to anything
- Wait years for our first rounders to become another Jankowski
- Gaudreau traded for a late first and Hanowski types at the deadline before he’s a FA
- Giordano retires
- Rittich leaves as free agent
- Monahan then becomes Backlund now
- Tkachuk fails to carry a bunch of scrubs. Requests trade.
- All before the Lucic contract is even off the books

At least we wouldn’t need many protection slots in the Seattle expansion draft.

This man is a Flames fan with experience.

[heep223]

I continue to feel that Bennett not turning into a top 6 C is in large part what has screwed up the entire plan.

No trades - ride it out and cross your fingers.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by heep223

I continue to feel that Bennett not turning into a top 6 C is in large part what has screwed up the entire plan.


No trades - ride it out and cross your fingers.

It’s a huge factor. He should have been a top line centre as a top 5 pick.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Ya pretty much time to find a new team to cheer for.

I didn't say that, but I appreciate the flippant and dismissive response.

All I'm saying is the franchise is in a very difficult position based on this season. We either try and fix the issues while keeping our core and risk toiling away and losing years off our players' prime as topfiverecords laid it out above, or we try and sell off key assets and hope that the lottery lands in our favour AND we draft/develop the right franchise changing player.

Retooling or rebuilding successfully is a complete crapshoot.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by AC

I can't imagine replacing Peters fixes this team. If the players have quit on the coach then they're not the right players IMO.

Johnny is looking every bit like the player we were worried he really was when the games matter.

As much as I like Bennett, it's easy to see that having our highest pick in franchise history turn into a grinder 3rd liner and not a franchise player has completely destroyed our team's window.

Now we're a middle of the pack team that won't bottom out enough to get the elite talent needed to win. Problem is even if we sell Gaudreau for a king's ransom and go for the tank, I have very little confidence in the players or picks we get back working out. Look what Iginla, Bouwmeester, Regehr, Cammalleri, Kiprusoff, etc. turned into for example.

I wonder this to i'm looking at a tank and quick re-tool but the track record of this scouting staff makes me wonder if we wouldn't end up with more Poirier's, Klimchuck's, Bennett's and Jankowski's. Doesn't matter who we fire or bring in if we are drafting like that still. Is Button actually that good? Serious question he keeps surviving how many management changes.

[Johnny Makarov]

Team is still way too soft. We need 4 spitting Hathaways. Not -1 Hathaway.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I wonder this to i'm looking at a tank and quick re-tool but the track record of this scouting staff makes me wonder if we wouldn't end up with more Poirier's, Klimchuck's, Bennett's and Jankowski's. Doesn't matter who we fire or bring in if we are drafting like that still. Is Button actually that good? Serious question he keeps surviving how many management changes.

Any team would have taken Bennett at #4. Central Scouting had him #1 ffs

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

I just can’t see management wanting to rebuild/retool after how good they were in the regular season last year. I think there will be trade to shake things up if the dumpster fire isn’t extinguished soon. So what would you like to see?

Given the team is in Philly, Johnny’s hometown, and Philly is barely hanging on to WC2 after their own 4 game losing streak they teams might be perfect partners to make a deal.


KEY PIECES
Gaudreau/Monahan for Couturier/Lindblom.

I can’t think of one rational reason for the Flyers to trade Couturier.



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[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Any team would have taken Bennett at #4. Central Scouting had him #1 ffs

ZERO pullups. We should have stayed away.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Any team would have taken Bennett at #4. Central Scouting had him #1 ffs

Yep, that was just crappy luck. Ughhhh...typical Flames, highest pick in franchise history has to bust.

[Vinny01]

If they keep this up they might as well hold on to everyone and move all their pending free agents for futures.

Summer is the time to consider bigger moves

[AC]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Any team would have taken Bennett at #4. Central Scouting had him #1 ffs

Exactly. I have a hard time criticizing the pick but that's the risk. We could land a top pick and still miss on the franchise players, setting the team back for several more years like Edmonton.

[dammage79]

I honestly thought we were going to be "left" with Draisaitl. Color me shocked the other Sam went to Buffalo and then the Oil take ze big German.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Any team would have taken Bennett at #4. Central Scouting had him #1 ffs

You have the draft table lists from every GM in the NHL? Teams have their own draft order they dont just draft based off the central scouting ranking or why would they even have a scouting department? Did Kekalainen take Puljujärvi because Central Scouting told him to lol or did he pass because he had his own list. Not mentioning any of the other first round picks either take Bennett out if it bothers you so much. He has been here a lot longer and been at the head of a lot more first round picks than him. The guy has been head of scouting since 2001 he was here for Chucko, Nemisz. etc. Is that really all on the Gm's. Is it possible someone else or some other scouts could take the specifications given by the GM and do a better job with it than the guys we've had for more than 20 years with no success?

[868904]

Trade for Taylor Hall because we are a lottery team and we need to win the first overall!

Obviously this means you can’t trade our first round pick for Hall.