High-Profile Sexual Abuse Epidemic

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I just searched for his Hot One's episode, and it appears to be off line.


Dude is very creepy, ponytail doesn't help either.

I watched his episode of Hot One and he's definitely creepy. I saw his cooking show years ago but haven't kept up with him. He was going on about partying with rappers and that he switched his Crocs for Yeezys. Fame has definitely gone to his head.

[taco.vidal]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ive-ex-players

The allegations against the retired players and Eric Weinberger, who’s now president of sports commentator Bill Simmons’s media group, are part of a lawsuit against NFL Enterprises in Los Angeles Superior Court. The amended complaint filed Monday detailed specific acts of harassment by several individuals who aren’t named as defendants.

A former executive producer at the National Football League’s TV network and ex-players including Marshall Faulk and Heath Evans allegedly groped and made sexually explicit comments to female colleague Jami Cantor, according to an amended complaint by Cantor, a former employee.

Ike Taylor, also an analyst, sent Cantor “sexually inappropriate” pictures of himself and a video of him masturbating in the shower, according to the filing. Donovan McNabb, a former analyst, also texted her explicit comments, according to the compliant.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Deadspin got the full complaint. Yeesh






https://deadspin.com/nfl-network-sus....co/v4o0TOXRG5

[Fuzz]

How do you put up with that for 3 years? Shouldn't this have gone to HR on week one?

[PsYcNeT]

I think the question is more "what kind of society have we created where a woman feels the need, feels trapped enough, or feels is so institutionalized to put up with that #### for 3 years?"

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

How do you put up with that for 3 years? Shouldn't this have gone to HR on week one?

HR is there to look after the interests of the company, not the employee. I imagine that if she went to HR after the first issue she would have been let go. From what I read, she tried to go to the NFL and nothing happened.

The extent of the abuse is shocking to read.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

How do you put up with that for 3 years? Shouldn't this have gone to HR on week one?

Yup, totally agree, 100% her fault!

Seriously dude, whether you are actually saying what I wrote, or your point is something totally different, comments like that are the reason people have a hard time coming forward.
Knock it off with they "Why didn't she say something sooner" comments.

[Matata]

I think un-packaging why she stayed would be very interesting. She wasn't a slave, there was no legal or physical force compelling her to stay, nothing would have prevented her from walking out the door and never coming back. Would no one pay her as well and she thought she could tough it out? Was she so emotionally traumatized that she felt paralyzed? Did she want to build a large body of evidence and smash the NFL in court? Did she just love the NFL so much she couldn't see what was happening?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Yup, totally agree, 100% her fault!

Seriously dude, whether you are actually saying what I wrote, or your point is something totally different, comments like that are the reason people have a hard time coming forward.
Knock it off with they "Why didn't she say something sooner" comments.

I didn't say it was her fault you muppet. It's not like these were mild comments, this was physical abuse. I would like to think that HR would protect the interest of the company by not having a sexual predator on staff.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

HR is there to look after the interests of the company, not the employee. I imagine that if she went to HR after the first issue she would have been let go. From what I read, she tried to go to the NFL and nothing happened.

The extent of the abuse is shocking to read.

What?? HR departments exist to cover up crimes? You must have different experiences than I do. Most firms aren't interested in having sexual assault occur at their workplace and would deal with the perpetrator not the victim. That is not inconsistent with protecting the company.

Anyway this case is shocking. Disappointing that if true, none of the other people who would have known about this stuff ever did anything about it.

[OMG!WTF!]

I've not been around pro athletes, but college athletes are just the worst for sexual harassment. I won't be surprised when more pro's get busted than Hollywood knobs.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I didn't say it was her fault you muppet. It's not like these were mild comments, this was physical abuse. I would like to think that HR would protect the interest of the company by not having a sexual predator on staff.

Yeah dude, except comments like yours are usually, and probably rightfully, read as "Why didn't she do something earlier, she's to blame".

Whether that was you intent or not is irrelevant, that's how it comes across, and if you'd read my post you'd have seen that I said just that.

And your second statement is so out of touch it's not even funny. You think maybe HR should protect the women who have a right to not be harassed by not having a sexual predator on staff.

Again, maybe not your intent, but think about what you're saying and how it comes across a little bit.

I'd rather be a muppet than the guy who is so oblivious to the situation/issue that he's still making "why didn't she do something" comments.

[Fuzz]

Would you please stop projecting how you read my comments, rather than what my comments actually are? Just because you interpret words a certain way(and are attempting to read into them) it doesn't mean that is what I actually said. You are painting me as someone I am not, and I don't appreciate it.

[Hockeyguy15]

That's crazy, I can't believe someone would put up with that for so long. Her life must have been hell. It's tough to wrap my head around how powerless all these victims must feel.

[Matata]

If you make discussion over her reasons for staying taboo, then you cut out a huge part of the equation and it becomes impossible to understand the root problems in a nuanced way. Good analysis breeds good solutions, but good analysis is impossible without good data.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

What?? HR departments exist to cover up crimes? You must have different experiences than I do. Most firms aren't interested in having sexual assault occur at their workplace and would deal with the perpetrator not the victim. That is not inconsistent with protecting the company.

Anyway this case is shocking. Disappointing that if true, none of the other people who would have known about this stuff ever did anything about it.

HR departments are typically hired by Senior Management. The interests of Senior Management are supposed to be aligned with what's best for the company. That can change especially when it's a Senior management member, a senior employee who holds pull with Senior Management, or a top performer who is the alleged abuser.

[rubecube]

Is it really that hard for people to figure out why she would have stayed in that position for 3 years? Are people not aware of how tough it is for female media members in pro sports to actually get ahead and be taken seriously? With what we know about how sexual harassment is treated by society, do you not think she might have felt that she a) wouldn't have been believed or b) been given the "well what did you expect? They're pro football players. Boys will be boys?" treatment.

This isn't rocket science.

[rubecube]

And on top of all that, this is the freaking NFL. The league is notorious for taking violence against women about as seriously as bigfoot sightings.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Is it really that hard for people to figure out why she would have stayed in that position for 3 years? Are people not aware of how tough it is for female media members in pro sports to actually get ahead and be taken seriously? With what we know about how sexual harassment is treated by society, do you not think she might have felt that she a) wouldn't have been believed or b) been given the "well what did you expect? They're pro football players. Boys will be boys?" treatment.

This isn't rocket science.

Knowing why and understanding are two different things though. I've never wanted a job so bad that I would put up with something like that, which is why I am having a hard time understanding.

Story after story of abuse, it's clear that we have let a lot of people down.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Would you please stop projecting how you read my comments, rather than what my comments actually are? Just because you interpret words a certain way(and are attempting to read into them) it doesn't mean that is what I actually said. You are painting me as someone I am not, and I don't appreciate it.

And again, you are missing my point for several reasons:

1) you aren't qualifying your comments at all which leaves them open to quite a bit of interpretation

2) I'm pointing out that even if you didn't mean them they way I said they came across (I explicitly said that in both posts) it's reasonable to assume that some, if not most people would take them that way


So if you're going to make statements like that, maybe add some qualification and context to them, or don't make them at all.

When you say "How do you put up with that for 3 years? Shouldn't this have gone to HR on week one?", this is very easily interpreted as putting shifting the blame to her.

I'm not trying to project how I read your comments, I'm trying to point out that they can, and kind of do, come across in a way that you may not want them to, and may not even know they do.

There is a big difference between saying "Why didn't she go to HR", which is what you said, and "It's a shame she felt she couldn't go to HR".
Maybe you understand that nuance, maybe you don't, but either way, why get upset that someone is pointing it out?

If you understand it, then it would seem you meant the first.
If you don't understand it, then maybe you meant the second, and why be upset that someone would point out it kinda sounds like the first?