2 Calgary brothers charged with sex attack on teen

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

It's bad, but it is not as bad as murder.

I dont know, I get what 4x4 is saying. Living after having that happen to you is inconceivable to me.

[speede5]

Originally Posted by Muta

Why are we giving tribes money again? Honest question.

Because we (our ancestors) signed legally binding treaties with them. You know, payment for all the land we live on.

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Well, that there is pretty sad. In my world, sexual assault causing bodily harm would "attract a term" of life in prison. Maybe with your balls in a vice.

This young girl just got destroyed, and many other people are going to go down with that ship. It's as bad as murder. Violent sexual assault should be a life sentence.

I hope she doesn't read this.

She is not destroyed, and she can recover. It might be a long road, but she can get through it.

I feel absolutely horrible for this girl... no punishment is sufficient for those scum.

Reading this just makes me sick.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by speede5

Because we (our ancestors) signed legally binding treaties with them. You know, payment for all the land we live on.

Wasn't that over 200 years ago already? How long is it going to last for?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

How in the hell did these two thugs get bail.

With their lengthy criminal records, well it makes me question what the judge was thinking when he grants them bail and they continually break those conditions.

In my personal, anecdotal experience, its because natives get preferential sentencing.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Muta

Wasn't that over 200 years ago already? How long is it going to last for?

How long are we going to live here?

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

How long are we going to live here?

How much is Russia paying for Crimea?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

How long are we going to live here?

Well, my real name is Duncan MacLeod, so I can't really give you a definitive answer. In this case, there cannot be only one... answer.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

How long are we going to live here?

If forever is the answer, then there will never truely be a healing within the native community.

As a white first generation immigrant to this country, it seems to be that there needs to be a point where the native community believes that the "debt has been paid".

I don't know what that point is, I believe that if it continues on forever, then there will never truely be a healing of the native community, nor will there ever be true forgiveness.

It will take a very strong man/women to stand up.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

How much is Russia paying for Crimea?

let's hold ourselves to a higher standard

[cDnStealth]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

How long are we going to live here?

Children should pay for the sins of their fathers indefinitely. Great argument. I don't know what the solution is but the current arrangement isn't benefitting anyone.

[Nyah]

Why are we even talking about the treaty in this thread?

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Locke

In my personal, anecdotal experience, its because natives get preferential sentencing.

I bet the ~70% of the prison population are sure glad they got preferential sentencing.

(note: it might not be 70%, and I dont really want to look it up right now, but it is drastically higher than the proportion of natives in the population)

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Nyah

Why are we even talking about the treaty in this thread?

Fair point, I am sure the mods can split this discussion if the is an appetite to continue

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I bet the ~70% of the prison population are sure glad they got preferential sentencing.

(note: it might not be 70%, and I dont really want to look it up right now, but it is drastically higher than the proportion of natives in the population)

Sorry, I dont get your point.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

If forever is the answer, then there will never truely be a healing within the native community.

As a white first generation immigrant to this country, it seems to be that there needs to be a point where the native community believes that the "debt has been paid".

I don't know what that point is, I believe that if it continues on forever, then there will never truely be a healing of the native community, nor will there ever be true forgiveness.

It will take a very strong man/women to stand up.

I think the "debt" perspective is actually an underpinning foundation of the reserve setup. There seems to be this proverbial "Berlin Wall" (both physically and psychologically) between the reserves and Canadian society, which has created a sense of distrust and finger pointing. Until that goes away and full societal integration can be achieved (which may never happen), I think there will be this perpetual silo mentality that will be used as a crux to say the "debt" hasn't been repaid.

This is such a deep and sensitive topic, but I do believe physical segregation is part and parcel of the cause.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I think the "debt" perspective is actually an underpinning foundation of the reserve setup. There seems to be this proverbial "Berlin Wall" (both physically and psychologically) between the reserves and Canadian society, which has created a sense of distrust and finger pointing. Until that goes away and full societal integration can be achieved (which may never happen), I think there will be this perpetual silo mentality that will be used as a crux to say the "debt" hasn't been repaid.

This is such a deep and sensitive topic, but I do believe physical segregation is part and parcel of the cause.

Ozy, I agree.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Nyah

Why are we even talking about the treaty in this thread?

Indeed.

These two sacks of crap grabbed a random woman on the street. Raped her. Then kidnapped and dragged her back home and then repeatedly raped her again and again until she escaped the next day.

Oh yeah . . . "allegedly".

People seem less concerned about the kidnapping and rape in Calgary and more interested in their fracking background.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I think the "debt" perspective is actually an underpinning foundation of the reserve setup. There seems to be this proverbial "Berlin Wall" (both physically and psychologically) between the reserves and Canadian society, which has created a sense of distrust and finger pointing. Until that goes away and full societal integration can be achieved (which may never happen), I think there will be this perpetual silo mentality that will be used as a crux to say the "debt" hasn't been repaid.

This is such a deep and sensitive topic, but I do believe physical segregation is part and parcel of the cause.

The opportunity for integration has existed for many years but isn't something that is enticing enough. It is a sad fact but the percentage of the FN community that wants to actually contribute to Canadian society as a whole is quite small. They have essentially endless resources and countless programs to get themselves into society but they just don't care. The few that do go outside the reserve and better themselves are largely ostracized by the FN community.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Locke

Sorry, I dont get your point.

Drastically more natives get sent to prison than any other demographic.

This means that the likelihood of preferential sentencing in the regular court system actually existing in the manner which you are saying, is not very high.

That said, there are alternative native sentencing options that exist, however, unless I am misreading, or it has been misreported, they were not involved in why these people were on the street.