[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

all born outside of North America? All took faster paths to the NHl than Jankowski is on?

Datsyk was 23 when he came to the NHL after training in Russia... 0 games in the AHL and played 70 games as a rookie 23 year old.

When Tartar was 22 he started his season with the Wings and had 39 pts in 79 games in the his rookie year after 3 dominate year in the AHL.

Nyquist was drafted out of U of Maine. When he was Jankowski's age he started his Jr. Year at U of Maine and was a dominate player 52 pts in 31 games. The next season he started with Grand rapids and after 58 pts in 56 games but was a red wing by the end of the year and played in 4 out of the 5 redwing play off games.



Mark Jankowski
Center -- shoots L
Born Sep 13 1994

He is 21 as before hockey starts this fall.

To catch up to the slowest developing player you listed as slow... he would have to dominate the NCCA this year... be the best Flame in the AHL next year and force his way on the Flames roster by the end of next season.

then Jankowski would have something in common with your list.

Do you really see this happening? All 3 players you listed showed a lot more than Jankowski by the time they were 20.

It would be a big jump in his development trend if he catches up to these guys (that you list as apparent slow developers) in the next 2 years.

2 years is a long time.

If he spends his 4th year in the NCAA and the next year in the AHL he will then turn 23 years old just before the 2017-18 season. Are you saying, in that timespan, he is really that unlikely to improve enough to play in the NHL? Cook up some more gobbledyguk stats mumbojumbo for us to prove he won't be good enough. Your crystal ball is cracked (crack?).

It's not as though the clock is ticking on Jankowksi's career here. This is exactly the timeframe he was expected to take. In fact, he's a year ahead of schedule since he skipped a level of hockey (USHL) and went straight to the NCAA.

And, for the record on Nyquist, this is the first season he spent the whole year in the NHL. He spent large chunks of the previous 3 seasons with Grand Rapids. Even after he had the 'breakthrough' year you described he played in 73 AHL games over 2 seasons. At 25 he is now an established NHLer and a good one, but the Red Wings allowed him to take his sweet time to get there. I'm happy for the Flames to allow Jankowski to take a similar path. After all, there's no rush.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by getbak

Providence scored 123 goals last season. Jankowski had 27 points (22.0%).

In his Sophomore season, he had 25 points on 115 Friar goals (21.7%). In his Freshman season, he had 18 points on 105 goals (17.1%).


If he is played on the top scoring line next season, 30% should be achievable. This season, Nick Saracino led Providence with 38 points, which was 30.9% of their goals. I'd say there's a good chance Saracino will be playing on Jankowski's wing next season.

to add to this, Jankowski's 22% is with him missing 4 games due to injury. SO it's likely closer to 24-25% in the games he was in.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

to add to this, Jankowski's 22% is with him missing 4 games due to injury. SO it's likely closer to 24-25% in the games he was in.

They scored 8 goals in those 4 games. For the games he played in: Providence scored 115 goals, and Jankowski had 27 points. So, he was in on 23.5% of the goals scored in the games he played.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Jankowski and Baertschi along with Reinhart were re-branded by Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett, Jooris, Brodie and Bouma.

When Baertschi and Jankowski were first drafted by the Flames they were basically the only prospects in the organizations. The Flames fans were accustomed to low expectation and a long slow development process for prospects ending in failure. Chucko, Pelech, Neimicz, Boyd, Breen all were supposed to have painfully long development processes before they blossomed into legitimate Flames.

Then along came Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett, Jooris, Brodie, Ferland and Bouma and they spent at most a full season in the AHL and on to their NHL careers.

It is very rare that the 5 year plan ends up with NHL stardom.

Even a relative slow developer like undrafted Giordano only spent 2 years in the AHL and played 48 NHL games when he was 22.

Originally Posted by ricardodw

all born outside of North America? All took faster paths to the NHl than Jankowski is on?

Datsyk was 23 when he came to the NHL after training in Russia... 0 games in the AHL and played 70 games as a rookie 23 year old.

When Tartar was 22 he started his season with the Wings and had 39 pts in 79 games in the his rookie year after 3 dominate year in the AHL.

Nyquist was drafted out of U of Maine. When he was Jankowski's age he started his Jr. Year at U of Maine and was a dominate player 52 pts in 31 games. The next season he started with Grand rapids and after 58 pts in 56 games but was a red wing by the end of the year and played in 4 out of the 5 redwing play off games.



Mark Jankowski
Center -- shoots L
Born Sep 13 1994

He is 21 as before hockey starts this fall.

To catch up to the slowest developing player you listed as slow... he would have to dominate the NCCA this year... be the best Flame in the AHL next year and force his way on the Flames roster by the end of next season.

then Jankowski would have something in common with your list.

Do you really see this happening? All 3 players you listed showed a lot more than Jankowski by the time they were 20.

It would be a big jump in his development trend if he catches up to these guys (that you list as apparent slow developers) in the next 2 years.

Originally Posted by ricardodw

And yet Brodie was 3 months older than Jankowski is now the season he became an NHL regular player.

Brodie turned 21 June 2011 ... Played 54 games 2011-12 season Jankowski turns 21 September 2015.

but but but Jankowski is dripping with potential and will be the best player of his generation. Feaster said so.

In the age equivalent season to the one Jankowski just finished Brodie was the best player on the Flames AHL team..

Brodie is a d-man that normally have a a longer development cycle than a forward.

Does anyone think that Jankowski would be a top 6 forward on the Flames AHL team this coming season?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by getbak

They scored 8 goals in those 4 games. For the games he played in: Providence scored 115 goals, and Jankowski had 27 points. So, he was in on 23.5% of the goals scored in the games he played.

Points percentage aside, the four games Jankowski missed were out-of-conference. Jankowski had 12 points vs Out of conference this season in 12 games and 15 points in 25 games vs Hockey East. Obviously he needs to improve vs Hockey East but you can't help but wonder if he missed some prime stat padding opportunities in four VS out of conference games.

[FlameZilla]

What was his injury? Did he have an injured shoulder to start the season?

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

all born outside of North America? All took faster paths to the NHl than Jankowski is on?

Datsyk was 23 when he came to the NHL after training in Russia... 0 games in the AHL and played 70 games as a rookie 23 year old.

When Tartar was 22 he started his season with the Wings and had 39 pts in 79 games in the his rookie year after 3 dominate year in the AHL.

Nyquist was drafted out of U of Maine. When he was Jankowski's age he started his Jr. Year at U of Maine and was a dominate player 52 pts in 31 games. The next season he started with Grand rapids and after 58 pts in 56 games but was a red wing by the end of the year and played in 4 out of the 5 redwing play off games.

How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you can't even get your facts right? Nyquist was drafted out of Malmo program from Sweden, he was then sent to U of Maine after he was drafted. Where he spent 3 full seasons, then he spent 2 season in GR. Even his 6th season after getting drafted, he played in the AHL.

He's going to be 26 by the time he enters his 2nd full NHL season.

Janko will be 21 when his 4th NCAA season starts. If I was a betting man, I'd say by the time Janko is 26 he will have played more then 2 complete NHL seasons. Not saying in what role; could be a 4th liner could be Joe Nieuwendyk clone

[iLoveLamp]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

What was his injury? Did he have a shoulder to start the season?

No, he was born without one and only recently had an implant put in. He's quite the medical anomaly actually.

[FireGilbert]

I came here to see someone post that the Flames should have drafted Vasilevskiy. Leaving disappointed.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

What was his injury? Did he have an injured shoulder to start the season?

Yes, and it sounds like it was a lingering injury. At one point after he had been back a few games Nate Leaman commented about his shoulder getting better every game.

[T@T]

With all the silly negatives in this thread the worst is probably Jankowski reading this and thinking what a bunch of bad fans they have in Calgary that would throw a 20 year old college kid under the bus before his first training camp.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by T@T

With all the silly negatives in this thread the worst is probably Jankowski reading this and thinking what a bunch of bad fans they have in Calgary that would throw a 20 year old college kid under the bus before his first training camp.

At least there are some people sticking up for him.

If I'm a hockey player with any interest in going pro I would steer clear of fan forums. Hopefully he isn't reading any of this!

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by T@T

With all the silly negatives in this thread the worst is probably Jankowski reading this and thinking what a bunch of bad fans they have in Calgary that would throw a 20 year old college kid under the bus before his first training camp.

Isn't it just the same three or four dudes? I honestly stopped paying attention.

I just go to the last post and back up a quarter of the page to see if anything that is actually interesting has been posted.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by T@T

With all the silly negatives in this thread the worst is probably Jankowski reading this and thinking what a bunch of bad fans they have in Calgary that would throw a 20 year old college kid under the bus before his first training camp.

There was the other thread in the backburner forum so at least it was kind of hidden from view. But now this thread got horribly bumped and it's back to the same ol' rehash over and over only this time it's on the front page. It literally has no new information about Jankowski. Just the same tired debate no one cares about except for a few. For sure someone close to him will read all this. I can guarantee no one in the Flames organization gives 2 hoots about what position he was drafted in. It's all about development now. Except here on CP. Here, for whatever reason, his draft position still garners ''debate''.

[Major Major]

I am confident that Jankowski has the mental fortitude to ignore the short sightedness and ego stroking of Internet strangers.

[Roof-Daddy]

I think that if Jankowski decides to go UFA next summer instead of sign with Calgary, it will have a lot more to do with money/opportunity than what a few random Flames fans are posting on a message board.

I do despise this thread though.

[squirtle]

Jankowski - Smith future 3rd shut down line.

That is all

[hockey.modern]

Originally Posted by squirtle

Jankowski - Smith future 3rd shut down line.

That is all

Ferland/Bouma on LW

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by squirtle

Jankowski - Smith future 3rd shut down line.

That is all

I think it'd be pretty intimidating if we busted out a Colborne - Jankowski - Smith line.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I think it'd be pretty intimidating if we busted out a Colborne - Jankowski - Smith line.

Smith would be the only player on that line that would intimate anyone, assuming his skating improves. Though I do have give Colborne some credit, he did up his physical game a bit in the playoffs but he still has a long way to go.