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Old 05-19-2021, 08:11 PM   #12441
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Gaudreau spent most of the year with broken Monahan and a plug. I dont think many players but up massive numbers in that situation
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Is that even realistic though as this is probably the hardest thing a GM can accomplish in this league. Most teamís first lines are made up of elite drafted players. The Flames didnít draft enough elite players when they were rebuilding and now theyíre paying the price.

The Flames would be lucky to just find an excellent second line that can be counted on to take some pressure off the 1st line. Iíd take that honestly as Iím not expecting miracles here with the limited asset base this team has and the awful looking UFA crop.
I can't argue your points.

Kind of my point though; I think the Flames tried to build around the guys they had but failed miserably. If they want an elite top line they need to have a plan and stick to it until it is finished. Without that it is not going to happen. We are winning meaningless games, this doesn't appear to be an advantage the Flames were willing to use.

Guess we just have to wait and see what the Flames have in store for the off season!
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Gaudreau spent most of the year with broken Monahan and a plug. I dont think many players but up massive numbers in that situation
I canít understand why we played Monahan as long as we did. He should have been shut down pretty early in the season based on his level of play (and it likely all being due to the injury).

This team being as rigid as it was with the lines through the first 75% of the season was just dumb. Shut down Monahan, move Bennett up the roster and perhaps things play out in a very different way this season.

Oh well, itís all over nowÖand now we just hope for an appropriate level of change.
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He's 74th in even strength scoring (28 points) this year, right alongside Chandler Stephenson. Elite?
I know PPs are part of the game but 74th in ES points isn't elite.
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Last 16 Games:
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Gaudreau is still elite. Figured his last month+ showed that. He was just attached to a broken line initially and then a new coach with a new system that confused him. Stick him with Tkachuk and Lindholm for an entire year and he probably looks like an 80-100 point player again.

I actually think this is the best Gaudreau Iíve personally ever seen. His line rarely gets hemmed in their own zone which gives his line more chances on the rush and thatís when theyíre most dangerous.
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Interesting article , talks about a potential Jack Eichel/ Rasmus Ristolainen to Calgary trade. Definitely makes some sense if we loose Gio to Seattle , Ristolainen is definitely a Sutter type player. He is BIG NASTY and can play the game fairly well also. I like it!!! Wonder if a Tkachuk/Monahan deal makes more sense for both teams though? Monahan was 6th overall pick and Risto was 8th overall so i think the value is pretty even. They get a center back to replace hole left by Eichel leaving.

https://thehockeywriters.com/sabres-...lames-tkachuk/

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Old 05-20-2021, 01:17 PM   #12446
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Ristolainen would be a massive detriment to the defense and nothing more. He'd purely be a cap dump in any trade and shouldn't find himself in anything more than a sheltered bottom pairing role, let alone a top 4 role.
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Rumours that Penguins were not happy with Zucker.
And that they would like to have a more offensive third line center to provide depth.
Would they look at a Monahan for Zucker deal?
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Rumours that Penguins were not happy with Zucker.
And that they would like to have a more offensive third line center to provide depth.
Would they look at a Monahan for Zucker deal?
That actually sounds plausible. I donít know why Zuckerís scoring has dried up, but Treliving tried to trade for him once before, and he would certainly improve team speed.
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I believe Zucker now has a NTC with Calgary on it
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Zucker for Backlund would be good. You need to get better value for Monahan than that.
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Ristolainen would be a massive detriment to the defense and nothing more. He'd purely be a cap dump in any trade and shouldn't find himself in anything more than a sheltered bottom pairing role, let alone a top 4 role.
Some would argue Monahan is also a cap dump (and Tkachuk is as well, to the tune of about $2M) and that Monahan is a guy who also needs to be sheltered.

In such a trade, you still have a D that has Gio, Tanev, Rasmus, Hanifin and you have Valimaki, Kylington, and maybe Stone. You could shelter Risto if you need to. That said, who knows how good Risto is outside of Buffalo. His 18 points in 47 games who would be second in D points here. And you could trade him at the TDL if you want - he's an expiring contract.
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Interesting article , talks about a potential Jack Eichel/ Rasmus Ristolainen to Calgary trade. Definitely makes some sense if we loose Gio to Seattle , Ristolainen is definitely a Sutter type player. He is BIG NASTY and can play the game fairly well also. I like it!!! Wonder if a Tkachuk/Monahan deal makes more sense for both teams though? Monahan was 6th overall pick and Risto was 8th overall so i think the value is pretty even. They get a center back to replace hole left by Eichel leaving.

https://thehockeywriters.com/sabres-...lames-tkachuk/
I could have sworn that I read or maybe heard a story on the radio where Risto was absolutely hated by our analytics people (Snow?)...but I can't find any reference to this. If someone has a legit source or also heard this on the radio...speak up otherwise I will delete this post...
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I could have sworn that I read or maybe heard a story on the radio where Risto was absolutely hated by our analytics people (Snow?)...but I can't find any reference to this. If someone has a legit source or also heard this on the radio...speak up otherwise I will delete this post...
Yes, no source but I remember it. I think Burke said it on HNIC.
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Right now I would love Risto on this team over most of the guys.
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I could have sworn that I read or maybe heard a story on the radio where Risto was absolutely hated by our analytics people (Snow?)...but I can't find any reference to this. If someone has a legit source or also heard this on the radio...speak up otherwise I will delete this post...
So far the analytics people have been knocking it out of the park in identifying players that are going to come here and contribute. JFC, if there is the a bigger pile of bull#### than advanced analytics I don't know what it is.
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Right now I would love Risto on this team over most of the guys.
Of course you would, I don't think anyone doubts you love it when this team is sucking bad.
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Old 05-20-2021, 02:43 PM   #12458
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So far the analytics people have been knocking it out of the park in identifying players that are going to come here and contribute. JFC, if there is the a bigger pile of bull#### than advanced analytics I don't know what it is.
Please don't confuse this team's brutal pro scouting with analytics. Treliving has barely made any "analytics" moves outside of adding Hamilton/Frolik/Ryan or trading Neal for Lucic. Analytics were clearly not why they brought in Hamonic, Neal, Brouwer, Nordstrom, Ritchie, etc. Most of the rest of this roster was drafted.
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Of course you would, I don't think anyone doubts you love it when this team is sucking bad.
That's kind of an unfair comment. I don't like that the team is sucking bad, I want them to be good...they're just not. It's not like they're kina good and just not playing well, they haven't been good and aren't really doing anything to change it. The only time I wanted them to do bad is when they were eliminated and could get a better pick. I think the people who don't want to change things are the ones who want the team to do bad. Being bad and not wanting to change it makes no sense to me, I'm sorry if that goes against what you think.
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Please don't confuse this team's brutal pro scouting with analytics. Treliving has barely made any "analytics" moves outside of adding Hamilton/Frolik/Ryan or trading Neal for Lucic. Analytics were clearly not why they brought in Hamonic, Neal, Brouwer, Nordstrom, Ritchie, etc. Most of the rest of this roster was drafted.
So analytics are responsible for the half-decent moves and the pro scouts for the crap ones? They should all be the responsibility of the pro scouts, with the support of analytics, one would think.
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