05-10-2021, 06:37 PM
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#11941
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Most agree it isn’t the right time to go for it
But I think most agree that the team will indeed try for a retool over a rebuild
So if that’s true might as well go for Eichel
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05-10-2021, 06:40 PM
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#11942
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If a rebuild is near inevitable (which I suspect it is), I'm OK with a hail mary to try and salvage this era of the Flames.
For that reason, I'd rather trade prospects and players vs. too many picks. But I don't imagine we have any prospects that will get the Sabres too excited.
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05-10-2021, 07:10 PM
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#11943
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I think Reinhart is gonna be a Flame this offseason.
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05-10-2021, 08:30 PM
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#11944
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Originally Posted by Poe969
No, your not an instant contender with him. First, you have to give up value to get him...likely a lot because it'll be a bidding war, that will weaken the team. Second, herniated disks in the neck is a pretty significant injury. Imagine giving up so much value for a player that might never be what he was pre injury.
The teams like LA or the rangers that can and will make offers have a lot of high end prospects they could give up. The Flames can't put together a package anywhere close to that good, and you know how those teams got those prospects? They did bad and got good picks, they weren't bubble teams with late teens/early 20's picks.
This just isn't the right time to "go for it"
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I didn’t say Eichel makes us an instant contender.
I said you can’t contend without at least one player who’s at least as good as JE.
Which you can’t, and we don’t.
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05-10-2021, 08:34 PM
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#11945
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
I think Reinhart is gonna be a Flame this offseason.
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Flames need to get faster, not slower.
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05-10-2021, 09:32 PM
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#11946
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There is never a bad time to go for a 24 year old star center
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05-10-2021, 10:00 PM
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#11947
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Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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It won't really kill our roster, or mortgage our future to go get Eichel-we're looking probably at 4 assets going the other way. Two younger players from our roster, one you could theorize would be Tkachuk, and 2 prospects/picks. Still think there's a handful of teams that could beat any offer we put forth, but we should be trying our best to land this guy if he's available-He's one of the best young players at the most important position in hockey. Grab him now, and fill in the roster whatever way you can. If you have a true #1C, then you don't have to worry about being one of the many teams looking for a #1C.
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05-10-2021, 10:09 PM
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#11948
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
It won't really kill our roster, or mortgage our future to go get Eichel-we're looking probably at 4 assets going the other way. Two younger players from our roster, one you could theorize would be Tkachuk, and 2 prospects/picks. Still think there's a handful of teams that could beat any offer we put forth, but we should be trying our best to land this guy if he's available-He's one of the best young players at the most important position in hockey. Grab him now, and fill in the roster whatever way you can. If you have a true #1C, then you don't have to worry about being one of the many teams looking for a #1C.
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You also can't underestimate how big of an improvement a sniper like Andrew Mangiapane could make with a playmaking center setting him up for one-timers all game. Eatbread is already a solid scorer playing with a guy like Backlund, but give him Eichel and he's probably a star.
It's a totally different team with Jack Eichel.
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05-10-2021, 10:14 PM
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#11949
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Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
You also can't underestimate how big of an improvement a sniper like Andrew Mangiapane could make with a playmaking center setting him up for one-timers all game. Eatbread is already a solid scorer playing with a guy like Backlund, but give him Eichel and he's probably a star.
It's a totally different team with Jack Eichel.
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Yup, and we would see a different Gaudreau as well-he's already finding his niche under Sutter, having Eichel around would do him wonders.
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05-10-2021, 10:21 PM
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#11950
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What primary piece are the flames trading that entices the sabres? Lindholm? I don’t think Gaudreau or tkachuk have enough value with their contract situations and not being centre’s.
They will want a (potential) top line center coming back.
Last edited by Weitz; 05-10-2021 at 10:24 PM.
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05-10-2021, 10:22 PM
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#11951
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
Yup, and we would see a different Gaudreau as well-he's already finding his niche under Sutter, having Eichel around would do him wonders.
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I also think Jack Eichel himself would be a better player under Sutter. Here are the coaches he's played for:
Dan Bylsma - although technically a cup winning coach, he rode Crosby, Letang, Fleury, and Malkin to it, and generally seemed like a "Geoff Ward" type. Hasn't coached in the league since the Sabres let him go.
Phil Housley - although a pretty accomplished player and assistant with the Preds, he was a greenhorn. I think he's a decent head coach, but not exactly an experienced one at any level.
Ralph Krueger - literally had the Sabres playing their worst hockey ever. His systems seemed to assume he was coaching the 80s Soviet teams on big ice. Will probably never coach a professional hockey game ever again.
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05-10-2021, 10:28 PM
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#11952
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weitz
What primary piece are the flames trading that entices the sabres? Lindholm? I don’t think Gaudreau or tkachuk have enough value with their contract situations and not being centre’s.
They will want a (potential) top line center coming back.
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Then they can have Lindholm.
You can find another Lindholm.
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05-10-2021, 10:28 PM
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#11953
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Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Ralph Krueger set back more than a few players' careers on that Sabres roster. I agree on Housley and Bylsma too. Sutter is a master of player usage, and getting the most out his stars. One more thing-wouldn't it be great to have a guy who can skate with guys like Mcdavid and Matthews, etc?
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05-10-2021, 10:29 PM
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#11954
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuss275
Flames need to get faster, not slower.
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The Flames a need top 6 forward, not Ritchie slotted there.
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05-10-2021, 10:31 PM
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#11955
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weitz
What primary piece are the flames trading that entices the sabres? Lindholm? I don’t think Gaudreau or tkachuk have enough value with their contract situations and not being centre’s.
They will want a (potential) top line center coming back.
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Why would they want Lindholm? He will be 27 next year and in 3 years will want big money. He is highly valuable but not to a rebuilding team like the Sabres. Tkachuk would still be their prime target he is the only centerpiece that makes any sense and even then I don’t think he makes as much sense as what other teams will be able to offer.
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05-10-2021, 10:32 PM
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#11956
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Then they can have Lindholm.
You can find another Lindholm.
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Yeah, you can probably make do with Monahan/Backlund/Ryan as long as your top C is Eichel. I still think Monahan is a question mark as to his career. I’m not banking on improvement (other than maybe defensively) but I’m not discounting the possibility. Backlund and Ryan (if they can grab him on a good contract) are both decent enough. There are some kids worth working in as well. Or you can work on other trades as well.
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05-10-2021, 10:32 PM
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#11957
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Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Then they can have Lindholm.
You can find another Lindholm.
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As much as I cringe to say so, I agree-although players like Lindy don't come around every day. Centers like Eichel come around much less though.
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05-10-2021, 10:34 PM
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#11958
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Why would they want Lindholm? He will be 27 next year and in 3 years will want big money. He is highly valuable but not to a rebuilding team like the Sabres. Tkachuk would still be their prime target he is the only centerpiece that makes any sense and even then I don’t think he makes as much sense as what other teams will be able to offer.
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Because he’s (a) cheap and (b) never will break the bank. In 3 years he’ll be 30 and I bet his contract isn’t a whole lot bigger as a cap percentage (and if he is worth a raise - bonus). He’d be a great trade asset in 2.5 years as well.
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05-10-2021, 10:35 PM
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#11959
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Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Because he’s (a) cheap and (b) never will break the bank. In 3 years he’ll be 30 and I bet his contract isn’t a whole lot bigger as a cap percentage (and if he is worth a raise - bonus). He’d be a great trade asset in 2.5 years as well.
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And Lindy would be the perfect stop-gap until Cozens is ready to be the #1 guy.
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05-10-2021, 10:42 PM
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#11960
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Yeah, you can probably make do with Monahan/Backlund/Ryan as long as your top C is Eichel. I still think Monahan is a question mark as to his career. I’m not banking on improvement (other than maybe defensively) but I’m not discounting the possibility. Backlund and Ryan (if they can grab him on a good contract) are both decent enough. There are some kids worth working in as well. Or you can work on other trades as well.
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Back in 2012, The Kings' second line was Penner - Richards - Carter.
Considering Sutter has already tried Monahan at LW in the most recent game, I could very well see him trying something similar with Monahan on Backlund's wing.
Let's assume Lindholm and Tkachuk is what it takes.
Gaudreau - Eichel - Mangiapane
Monahan - Backlund - X
if that's your top five forward group, I think you can try a guy like Dube as your 3C and focus on bringing in a Silfverberg or Rakell type in a different trade. Or maybe Dube takes the next step as a winger?
Or maybe offer to take Tyler Johnson off Tampa's hands to play 3C or 2RW as a fallback option.
Lucic - Johnson - X
I think that could work if the cap hits aren't an issue. Though I'd prefer to keep one of Lindholm and Tkachuk if possible.
Either way, a lot of teams add that last top six piece at the trade deadline. Look at Boston adding Hall this year, for instance. Or back to Sutter's Kings, Gaborik was a deadline acquisition in 2014. So it's not always how stacked you are to start the year. It's about playing a winning style and being in a playoff spot. Then you ask Arizona if they're willing to part with Phil Kessel for 32nd overall.
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