05-06-2021, 10:19 AM
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#11841
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
So we agree? Things are getting weird around here.  |
You may not believe this but I don’t keep track of who I agree or disagree with around here.
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05-06-2021, 10:26 AM
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#11842
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
You may not believe this but I don’t keep track of who I agree or disagree with around here.
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Awww, why you go ruin it? I was starting to feel all warm and fuzzy inside!
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05-06-2021, 01:43 PM
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#11843
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I’m all for Vilardi but if it costs Hanifin I say no thanks. Would rather add something to Valimaki. They drafted only a few spots apart.
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05-06-2021, 01:50 PM
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#11844
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
I’m all for Vilardi but if it costs Hanifin I say no thanks. Would rather add something to Valimaki. They drafted only a few spots apart.
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I know it’s the popular thing to turn on Valimaki right now but he will end up being better than Hanifin IMO.
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05-06-2021, 02:12 PM
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#11845
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
That might be charitable.
Based on his cap hit, he's performing at likely a D level.
If teams knew he would be at 2021 level during the next 2 years, he would go unclaimed on waivers.
I think he's hard to move for any value unless he proves he's healthy and more productive. Which means I doubt he's moved in the offseason.
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Sure. I clearly agree the deal is nowhere near fair value, even if you are being generous to Monahan's value...
I don't think it's that low, but I also don't think he's the top priority to move.
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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
I wonder what Gaudreau's value would be with an extension in place (acquiring team able to negotiate prior to trade).
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The problem with this is it puts the other team in the driver's seat. They could lay some groundwork to sign him as UFA if they can't trade for him at a low enough cost.
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05-06-2021, 04:09 PM
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#11846
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanCharles
I know it’s the popular thing to turn on Valimaki right now but he will end up being better than Hanifin IMO.
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I’m high on Valimaki too but I’d give him up for Vilardi.
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05-06-2021, 04:22 PM
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#11847
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanCharles
I know it’s the popular thing to turn on Valimaki right now but he will end up being better than Hanifin IMO.
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No chance. His ceiling is 2nd pairing.
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05-06-2021, 04:34 PM
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#11848
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Franchise Player
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Valimaki can still easily be an excellent NHL D, but he doesn't have the skills that Hanifin does.
Of course some lesser skilled defensemen are better than Hanifin by virtue of positioning, reading the play etc. so there is hope I suppose.
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05-06-2021, 04:53 PM
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#11849
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleK
No chance. His ceiling is 2nd pairing.
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So a 47 game set has made it absolutely clear that his ceiling is that of a 2nd pair dman?
Before this season we all figured he could be a top pairing guy.
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05-06-2021, 04:57 PM
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#11850
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanCharles
So a 47 game set has made it absolutely clear that his ceiling is that of a 2nd pair dman?
Before this season we all figured he could be a top pairing guy.
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Exactly who is 'we'?
How many games did he play before this season?
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05-06-2021, 05:02 PM
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#11851
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleK
Exactly who is 'we'?
How many games did he play before this season?
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CP as a collective is ‘we.’
He played 24 games in 18/19 so he has played 71 regular season games to date with 2 playoff games under his belt.
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05-06-2021, 05:26 PM
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#11852
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Franchise Player
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Rookie Dman who had a full year off...I don't really think its fair to say what his ceiling is
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05-06-2021, 05:49 PM
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#11853
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Valimaki can still easily be an excellent NHL D, but he doesn't have the skills that Hanifin does.
Of course some lesser skilled defensemen are better than Hanifin by virtue of positioning, reading the play etc. so there is hope I suppose.
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Hanifin was very raw at Valimaki's age.
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05-06-2021, 05:59 PM
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#11854
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cannon7
Hanifin was very raw at Valimaki's age.
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Hanifin signed a six year $30 million contract at 21. Valimaki is now 22.
Hanifin miles ahead of him at the same age IMO. He’s less than two years older.
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05-06-2021, 06:16 PM
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#11855
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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Even Mark Giordano was pretty much a top 4 guy until the Iginla/Bouwmeester trades.
Perhaps the Flames just need a bunch of young top 4 options and then hope that 2 of them grow beyond that.
I have basically no idea what Valimaki's, Andersson's, or Hanafin's ceilings are.
But it's good to have three stabs at the can. And it would be nicer to have one more (Mackey might have top 4 potential as well, but I'm doubtful about him being top 2).
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05-06-2021, 08:59 PM
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#11856
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shutout
Never heard of Vilardi as being fast.
I think that one of his biggest problems is lack of footspeed.
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You’re correct on that one-I get Vilardi mixed up with Joe Veleno, when thinking about certain aspects of their skillsets.
Last edited by Sandman; 05-06-2021 at 09:07 PM.
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05-06-2021, 11:20 PM
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#11857
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Franchise Player
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Sign Hall
Take Koskinen as a cap dump
Pick 1st twice and gooooo
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05-06-2021, 11:38 PM
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#11858
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Franchise Player
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Hall is actually playing well in Boston...Koskinen though, would rather not help the Oilers
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05-07-2021, 07:40 AM
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#11859
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanCharles
Before this season we all figured he could be a top pairing guy.
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That's because the organization may have overrated him. I think he's going to have a decent NHL career but I don't know if he has top pairing skills and I think the organization were of that belief. I don't think he's a bust as outside of the Flames most talent evaluators had him pegged as a good but not great prospect.
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05-07-2021, 07:55 AM
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#11860
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Franchise Player
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More then anything I want to know when Hanifin became a #1 pairing D! I guess if he's on your 1st D pairing you have the issues the Flames do.
Tanev and Hanifin are an elite 2nd pairing D. Our problem is we won't have a top pairing
If they are your top pairing you have all sorts of issues unless your other D are super specialized (IE - 2 Amazing offensive D elsewhere)
Flames REALLY bet on Valimaki and Andersson being better then they were this year. But they are young so fingers crossed.
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