Re-sign Backlund Thread

[Flamesm]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Why would they sign 29 year old forward to a long term deal?

Flames will regret anything over $5m x 4 years for Backlund, I love his game right now but I suspect he'll be one of those "peak at 26-30 and disappear" type players

If we look at similar players like Kesler and Bergeron:

Kesler: 6 yr - 6.875 per - 31 years old (when signed) 33 now
Bergeron 6 yr - 6.875 per - 28 years old (when signed) 32 now
Koivu 7 yr - 6.750 per - (bonuses as well) -27 (when signed) 34 now

All three are selke candidates, as is Backlund. Similar point totals, so I would be shocked if Backlund got anything less than 6.875 for 6 years. (especially using inflation with these similar contracts)

That being said, he is worth it. His line shuts down every top line in the league and he still has a great corsi. He is our best center (overall) and worth having for the 6 years. He is 28 now and will be great still at 34 (Kesler is looking good beside being inj. and Berg will be good around then too) Points may go down, but their defensive responsibilities (more important in my opinion) will make them worth it still.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Good article on the Flames website: https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/one-...st/c-292050330

Is there some stats that provides weight to performance in important games? Call it the Claude Lemieux factor.....

Backlund has a grand total of 15 playoff games 5-10 overall record. He has been involved in 2 or 3 or even say 4... playoff runs.... there would have been 10 "have to win games with a playoff atmosphere" in each of those runs. Total important games say 55 or so...

Intuitively comparing Backlund's performance to Toews, Kopitar, Bergeron, Kesler has him far behind in superior performance in important games category.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Is there some stats that provides weight to performance in important games? Call it the Claude Lemieux factor.....

Backlund has a grand total of 15 playoff games 5-10 overall record. He has been involved in 2 or 3 or even say 4... playoff runs.... there would have been 10 "have to win games with a playoff atmosphere" in each of those runs. Total important games say 55 or so...

Intuitively comparing Backlund's performance to Toews, Kopitar, Bergeron, Kesler has him far behind in superior performance in important games category.

Why do you bring up these inane arguments all the time?

First you infer that the Flames will need to pay Smith 8 million on his next contract.

Now you're challenging Backlunds play based on a "clutch factor" that he may or may not have.

You use these strange fringe arguments to push you ideas. I honestly don't get where you're coming from.

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[blender]

It is the new GRIT index.
The SPIG rating... Superior Performance in Important Games.
Stand by...

[FBI]

Quick let's re-sign Backs for 5 before more of these articles come out!

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Is there some stats that provides weight to performance in important games? Call it the Claude Lemieux factor.....



Backlund has a grand total of 15 playoff games 5-10 overall record. He has been involved in 2 or 3 or even say 4... playoff runs.... there would have been 10 "have to win games with a playoff atmosphere" in each of those runs. Total important games say 55 or so...



Intuitively comparing Backlund's performance to Toews, Kopitar, Bergeron, Kesler has him far behind in superior performance in important games category.

Well, you found a way to spin this positive Flames article into a negative... you've provided zero data, if you would back up your statement it could actually be taken seriously.


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[Enoch Root]

So... Backlund sucks because his team hasn't been very good. Got it.

We should trade him and re-sign Bollig because he has a Cup - and he's gritty!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flamesm

If we look at similar players like Kesler and Bergeron:

Kesler: 6 yr - 6.875 per - 31 years old (when signed) 33 now
Bergeron 6 yr - 6.875 per - 28 years old (when signed) 32 now
Koivu 7 yr - 6.750 per - (bonuses as well) -27 (when signed) 34 now

All three are selke candidates, as is Backlund. Similar point totals, so I would be shocked if Backlund got anything less than 6.875 for 6 years. (especially using inflation with these similar contracts)

That being said, he is worth it. His line shuts down every top line in the league and he still has a great corsi. He is our best center (overall) and worth having for the 6 years. He is 28 now and will be great still at 34 (Kesler is looking good beside being inj. and Berg will be good around then too) Points may go down, but their defensive responsibilities (more important in my opinion) will make them worth it still.

If Backlund is looking for 6.8M per you thank him for his service and ship him out of town. That contract would absolutely handcuff this team cap wise and you can probably kiss some key players goodbye when their contracts are up. I like Backlund but he is not on the same tier as the guys you mentioned. The only way I see it as feasible is if you are going to sign Backlund and trade Monahan and to me that would be insanity.

[delayedreflex]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If Backlund is looking for 6.8M per you thank him for his service and ship him out of town. That contract would absolutely handcuff this team cap wise and you can probably kiss some key players goodbye when their contracts are up. I like Backlund but he is not on the same tier as the guys you mentioned. The only way I see it as feasible is if you are going to sign Backlund and trade Monahan and to me that would be insanity.

Agreed - Koivu and Bergeron have averaged 0.73-0.74 ppg through their careers (close to 60 points/82g season), while Backlund has only broken 50 points once, and averages 0.49 ppg through his career. Even Kesler has averaged 0.6 ppg, and I think he is overpaid. $6Mx6 would be more than fair for Backlund, and with Treliving magic I think he could get that down to closer to $5.5-5.75M.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

Why do you bring up these inane arguments all the time?

First you infer that the Flames will need to pay Smith 8 million on his next contract.

Now you're challenging Backlunds play based on a "clutch factor" that he may or may not have.

You use these strange fringe arguments to push you ideas. I honestly don't get where you're coming from.

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Someone said that based on Backlunds 1st 5 game the Flames had to sign him to a long term deal....

I said that Based on Smith first 6, he would be a 8-10M player. He was the best Flame on the ice in at least 4 of them. The point being that 5 games does not significantly change the need or urgency of signing Backlund.....

Stajan put together a few decent games (on a losing team) and the Flames extended him to a generous 12.5 over 4 that he played out on the 4th line rather than the 2nd.


However if Backlund were to be an obvious difference maker in a playoff series or two (as were the players that somehow people are comparing him to) then along with his stellar regular season performance he would merit a long term contract.

Up til now there are no players on the Flames that have shown they are dominate players in big games. Just tired of paying for potential without any proof of being difference makers.

[Flamesm]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If Backlund is looking for 6.8M per you thank him for his service and ship him out of town. That contract would absolutely handcuff this team cap wise and you can probably kiss some key players goodbye when their contracts are up. I like Backlund but he is not on the same tier as the guys you mentioned. The only way I see it as feasible is if you are going to sign Backlund and trade Monahan and to me that would be insanity.

I used 6.8 as my number since that is what the other three players were getting. I also assumed that since the price of salaries are going up (see drai (8.5x8), ehlers (6mx7 as a wing), Drouin 6.5x6 year, etc. I think that Backs will get a 6x6 deal because he loves Calgary and Tre is a wiz. I would not be upset though if it was closer to the 6.5-6.8 as his defensive responsibility is a large reason why he is so important on our team and I think his numbers will be around the 50-55pt range this year as well. To say that it would handcuff our team for an extra 800k is ridiculous. I would not trade him or give him up as he is a key core part of our team. The way I see it is that Stajan is coming off of the books, so his salary will essentially be Backlund's. I guess I value Backlund higher than you do then, which is fine!

Edit:
Also, Raymond (1m), Lack (1.375) will come off and unless Lack plays crazy good, I don't see us resigning as we have depth in the AHL.
Versteeg 1.75m will also be off, but we may resign for a similar amount depending on how he does.
Jagr 1m (probably coming off?)
And a few young guns probably fill those postitions (janko (who is this one?), Foo, Poirier, etc)

[Backlunds_socks]

Mark it here today backlund will sign a minimum 5-year contract at or under $5.25M per.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blender

It is the new GRIT index.
The SPIG rating... Superior Performance in Important Games.
Stand by...

Matt Stajan wants to renegotiate.

[puckedoff]

Backlund is great and all but there is no way he deserves Kris Russell money

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If Backlund is looking for 6.8M per you thank him for his service and ship him out of town
...snip...

So let's say the Flames are leading the division at the trade deadline. Are you saying you ship Backlund out of town?

[Gaskal]

He won't be getting Bergeron or Kesler money. At least 400-500k less.

Backs gets murdered by those two in the faceoff dot seemingly ad nauseum and isn't quite where they are at defensively (even though he is still very, very good).

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

He won't be getting Bergeron or Kesler money. At least 400-500k less.

Backs gets murdered by those two in the faceoff dot seemingly ad nauseum and isn't quite where they are at defensively (even though he is still very, very good).

400-500k less is still over $6m per, said it before and I'll say it again, If Backlund wants more than $5m x 5yrs you trade him fast and drive him to the airport. as good as he's been in his last 2 years with 47 and 53 points his track record still says he's a 3rd line center good for 25-35 points. this team can't afford to pay him anything close to $6m

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

So let's say the Flames are leading the division at the trade deadline. Are you saying you ship Backlund out of town?

Yes. If he continues to be the player we are seeing right now the Flames could very easily replace his contribution with another player. Unless Backlund picks his game up and is leading the Flames in almost every category, the team is better off making a deal for assets, then making a secondary deal for a stop gap to fill the hole. You can’t let significant assets get away and have nothing to show for them. Treliving has pushed enough chips into the hand. He still need to manage the stack long term.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

So let's say the Flames are leading the division at the trade deadline. Are you saying you ship Backlund out of town?

IF the Flames are leading the division at the trade deadline then you keep Backlund and go for a playoff run.

Then you hope that he is so good in the long playoff run that the Flames can't afford him.

It is the same as trading away the late 1st or early 2nd round pick that the Flames would likely get for him.

[Finger Cookin]

Kopitar and Toews being sheltered at all in any way, what a silly statement