07-11-2019, 11:35 AM
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#241
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Franchise Player
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I'm a big fan of the player and the person so I'm happy for him even if it means he's wearing a Canucks jersey.
But let's face it -- everything that he's been doing for probably the past 2 years has been to build up to this moment and to finally cash in with a big UFA contract. I'm not suggesting that he's simply going to mail it in now, but given his injury/concussion history I wouldn't be surprised to see Ferland play with less physicality than he's known for (and nothing like Ferkland circa 2015).
That said, he still has some really good offensive tools in his toolbox (shot, skating, ability to finish), so even if that's all the Canucks get I think it'll be a good signing for them.
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07-11-2019, 12:01 PM
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#242
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
This is the same failed playbook that Feaster and Weisbrod tried in Calgary.
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Yep. These moves certainly appear to have Weisbrod's fingerprints all over them.
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07-11-2019, 01:36 PM
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#243
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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I think Ferland will actually do relatively well on the Canucks, for the same reason Baertschi has at points; he will get far more prime scoring opportunities that he deserves. Ferland will probably have a 50-60 point season with the Canucks. However, he's also the kind of player that is far from ideal to have in your top 6. Ferland is just too much of an offensive passenger to be a good top 6 option.
You'll never be a winning team if Ferland is your go to guy.
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07-11-2019, 01:40 PM
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#244
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by blankall
I think Ferland will actually do relatively well on the Canucks, for the same reason Baertschi has at points; he will get far more prime scoring opportunities that he deserves. Ferland will probably have a 50-60 point season with the Canucks. However, he's also the kind of player that is far from ideal to have in your top 6. Ferland is just too much of an offensive passenger to be a good top 6 option.
You'll never be a winning team if Ferland is your go to guy.
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I think they'll play him with Petterson. Kid was rag dolled last year physically. Not only can Ferland play with high end players, he can also act as a deterrent against the opposition taking liberties against his linemates.
If he can stay healthy, I think he'll have a great year offensively.
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07-11-2019, 01:44 PM
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#245
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sweden
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For 3.5 million he’s not a go to guy. He’s a complementary middle 6, physical winger that can put up 20 goals, fight, hit and skate. Exactly the type of player the Flames are missing, perhaps Ferland wasn’t a good fit for some reason as there has been speculations about this and that. At the end of the day that type of player would look good in red.
Great story, great player and congratulations to getting paid. Canucks stink won’t wash away and yea its sucks, but I am still happy for a guy who had a long way to go with his struggles. Best of luck, light up the division (except us) and bring the Canucks to that 9th spot!
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07-11-2019, 01:49 PM
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#246
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by bubbsy
I think they'll play him with Petterson.
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I wouldn't be surprised. When playing with Sebastian Aho, he was at about a .75 ppg pace, and 3 and a quarter SOG a game. He does reasonably well with skill players, hanging out around the goal and chipping in rebounds.
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07-11-2019, 01:58 PM
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#247
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Pitt Meadows
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
I wouldn't be surprised. When playing with Sebastian Aho, he was at about a .75 ppg pace, and 3 and a quarter SOG a game. He does reasonably well with skill players, hanging out around the goal and chipping in rebounds.
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Harman Dayal wrote an article in The Athletic about Ferland and where he has success. Basically said what you said. He said he’s one of the best forwards in the NHL at receiving and firing shots from the slot and generating 2nd chances scoring opportunities.
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07-11-2019, 02:04 PM
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#248
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by blankall
I think Ferland will actually do relatively well on the Canucks, for the same reason Baertschi has at points; he will get far more prime scoring opportunities that he deserves. Ferland will probably have a 50-60 point season with the Canucks. However, he's also the kind of player that is far from ideal to have in your top 6. Ferland is just too much of an offensive passenger to be a good top 6 option.
You'll never be a winning team if Ferland is your go to guy.
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Their go-to guys for scoring are Pettersen and Boeser, which looks to be damn solid combo for many years. Ferland is not being paid to be a go-to guy. It's a very good signing, not unlike Frolik was for us. It's the high-end UFA deals like Ericksson for the Canucks, and Neal for us that are the real problems. How much would you rather have Ferland for 4 years at 3.5 than Neal for 4 years at 5.75?
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07-11-2019, 02:06 PM
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#249
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by bubbsy
Canucks have done real well in rounding out there forwards with guys that are tough to play against by adding Ferland and miller.
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Yeah, should help push them up to 9th or 10th in the conference
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07-11-2019, 02:17 PM
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#250
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Franchise Player
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VCR could be the surprise team in the west this year. This is far from a terrible roster.
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07-11-2019, 02:26 PM
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#251
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Yeah, should help push them up to 9th or 10th in the conference
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Like I said, I think their forward group is good enough to be a playoff team with the moves they have made.
I think their goaltending is good enough. The only real hole on the roster is their Defense.
I think they contend for the playoffs this year, so not out of the question for them to land just outside as you noted, but I wouldn't be surprised to grab a wildcard spot, or even divisional playoff spot.
The pacific is again really difficult to predict. In no particular order...
CGY - Lots of career years last year. With minimal changes to the core roster, will the flames be as good as last year or is there a regression in order?
SJ - Strong core back again, but lose their captain and elite player in Pavelski, and lose some depth.
LVG - Strong team, but has lost some depth.
ARZ - Strong finish. Some key adds in the offseason to a young group that appeared to have turned the corner, albeit late in last season.
EDM - Basically the same roster as last year, with some depth additions. I think they hope to bring up some of their youth both on forward/D and hope that they surprise.
ANH - Key stars have aged, but at the same time, the ducks have some really strong prospects. Doubt they are a playoff team this year.
Kings - retooling year.
Vancouver - Playoff calibre forwards/D, weak D.
If I had to offer my power rankings of the div as of right now:
1. LVG
2. SJ
3. CGY
4. ARZ
5. VAN
6. EDM
7. ANH
8. LA
Last edited by bubbsy; 07-11-2019 at 02:32 PM.
Reason: Forgot vegas!
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07-11-2019, 02:27 PM
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#252
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Djibouti
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Originally Posted by Hockey
Harman Dayal wrote an article in The Athletic about Ferland and where he has success. Basically said what you said. He said he’s one of the best forwards in the NHL at receiving and firing shots from the slot and generating 2nd chances scoring opportunities.
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I like Ferland, and would have welcomed him back to the Flames, but he's not one of the best in the NHL at anything.
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07-11-2019, 02:30 PM
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#253
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by bubbsy
Like I said, I think their forward group is good enough to be a playoff team with the moves they have made.
I think their goaltending is good enough. The only real hole on the roster is their Defense.
I think they contend for the playoffs this year, so not out of the question for them to land just outside as you noted, but I wouldn't be surprised to grab a wildcard spot, or even divisional playoff spot.
The pacific is again really difficult to predict. In no particular order...
CGY - Lots of career years last year. With minimal changes to the core roster, will the flames be as good as last year or is there a regression in order?
SJ - Strong core back again, but lose their captain and elite player in Pavelski, and lose some depth.
ARZ - Strong finish. Some key adds in the offseason to a young group that appeared to have turned the corner, albeit late in last season.
EDM - Basically the same roster as last year, with some depth additions. I think they hope to bring up some of their youth both on forward/D and hope that they surprise.
ANH - Key stars have aged, but at the same time, the ducks have some really strong prospects. Doubt they are a playoff team this year.
Kings - retooling year.
Vancouver - Playoff calibre forwards/D, weak D.
If I had to offer my power rankings of the div as of right now:
1. SJ
2. CGY
3. ARZ
4. VAN
5. EDM
6. ANH
7. LA
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You left out Vegas.
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07-11-2019, 02:45 PM
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#254
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by bubbsy
Like I said, I think their forward group is good enough to be a playoff team with the moves they have made.
I think their goaltending is good enough. The only real hole on the roster is their Defense.
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Really? I like Markstrom, but he got shelled last year, and ranked #4 in shots in the NHL. In a career year he did not even win half his games; I tend to think that goaltending is still very much an open question in Vancouver.
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I think they contend for the playoffs this year, so not out of the question for them to land just outside as you noted, but I wouldn't be surprised to grab a wildcard spot, or even divisional playoff spot...
If I had to offer my power rankings of the div as of right now:
1. LVG
2. SJ
3. CGY
4. ARZ
5. VAN
6. EDM
7. ANH
8. LA
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I don't see how. Even with significant additions the Canucks are very squarely not anywhere close to the Division leaders. But even if we concede that the Canucks are in contention for a Wild Card spot, which of the top-five Central teams do they supplant? Colorado? Winnipeg? Nashville? St Louis? Dallas?
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07-11-2019, 02:56 PM
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#255
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Really? I like Markstrom, but he got shelled last year, and ranked #4 in shots in the NHL. In a career year he did not even win half his games; I tend to think that goaltending is still very much an open question in Vancouver.
I don't see how. Even with significant additions the Canucks are very squarely not anywhere close to the Division leaders. But even if we concede that the Canucks are in contention for a Wild Card spot, which of the top-five Central teams do they supplant? Colorado? Winnipeg? Nashville? St Louis? Dallas?
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true... Ok, I think they'll be fighting for a playoff WC spot till the end. Divisional playoff contention seems far fetched.
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07-11-2019, 03:07 PM
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#256
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH (Grew up in Calgary)
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You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain....
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07-11-2019, 03:07 PM
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#257
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Scoring Winger
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That’s a good price for a middle 6 RW.
I didn’t want Ferland back as I thought 4.5 AAV was a minimum he would get, but at a 3.75 AAV that’s 12-15 goals territory and good value I think
Well done Canucks. Good signing.
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07-11-2019, 03:12 PM
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#258
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing
Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
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07-11-2019, 03:20 PM
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#259
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by d_phaneuf
Future results are always more predictive looking at the process vs the outcomes
I'd rather have a GM who has a good process, vs one who gets lucky on some WAGs, but crushes the team with WAG mistakes
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What do Wives and Girlfriends have to do with GMing?
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07-11-2019, 03:36 PM
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#260
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Really? I like Markstrom, but he got shelled last year, and ranked #4 in shots in the NHL. In a career year he did not even win half his games; I tend to think that goaltending is still very much an open question in Vancouver.
I don't see how. Even with significant additions the Canucks are very squarely not anywhere close to the Division leaders. But even if we concede that the Canucks are in contention for a Wild Card spot, which of the top-five Central teams do they supplant? Colorado? Winnipeg? Nashville? St Louis? Dallas?
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really? there is absolutely no concern about the goaltending here from the media/fans. We have one of, if not the best goaltending coach in the league with Ian Clark. He was able to unlock Marky's full potential mid season no less playing behind *shudders* Gudbranson, DelZaster, Pooliot and Hutton... that explains him getting shelled this past season.
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