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Old 02-22-2020, 07:36 PM   #8801
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Another issue is that the employers will make a killing. All that money that's going to your healthcare, the government will cover. Think the employer will return that money saved to you or the government? Even if you tax them, it will never be an equal amount.
Even if what you say is true (although it isnít), then the natural result would be increased corporate profits, which would result in higher stock prices, all of which Wall Street would love. So tell me, why are they against Medicare for All?
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Old 02-22-2020, 07:42 PM   #8802
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Even if what you say is true (although it isnít), then the natural result would be increased corporate profits, which would result in higher stock prices, all of which Wall Street would love. So tell me, why are they against Medicare for All?
Define Wall Street. It's the health care and pharmaceutical companies on wall street and their shareholders in a panic.
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Old 02-22-2020, 07:44 PM   #8803
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Medicare for all takes away all private insurance, that's 40% of Americans who right now have better coverage than Bernie is offering, it also means if you are on Medicare that system has to massively change, does your doctor refuse to take medicare under Bernie? does part A require a co payment in order to cover the cost? it is all unknown to a population that has something now that works for them, and as unpleasant as it is a significant number of humans don't want to share what they have with their fellow man.

In Canada it would be an easy sell, in the States it will be electoral poison, it is complex, massively expensive and easily taken apart in negative ads.
Where are you getting your information from?

Do you know anyone on Medicare that wishes they were still on their employerís plan? I donít.

Do you know anyone on Medicare that thinks their current plan is worse than what they used to have? I donít.

Do you know anyone who thinks that they have better coverage now, and always will, than what Medicare provides? I donít.

Medicare isnít an unknown. Again, everyone over the age of 65 has it. If anyone has any questions about it or thinks that it is a mystery, surely they can find some old person to ask about it.

Your doctor payment concern can be addressed through tort reform. Or, more easily, getting rid of the incredibly inefficient current insurance system that saps a great deal of time and money from doctors now in exchange for a very simple one-payor system.
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Old 02-22-2020, 07:49 PM   #8804
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Define Wall Street. It's the health care and pharmaceutical companies on wall street and their shareholders in a panic.
Iím not going to define a very commonly understood phrase for you.

You are arguing two opposing pointsóthat employers will end up with more money and that certain industries are panicking ostensibly because they wonít make as much money. Which side do you truly believe to be the case?

Besides, even under a Medicare for All system, the government isnít making the drugs, the healthcare equipment, the hospitals, and so on.
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Old 02-22-2020, 10:32 PM   #8805
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The POTUS tweeted this from one of his followers, before a trip to India.
Iím sure some empathy would get his followers to see they are in a cult lead by a mentally degraded racist

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Old 02-22-2020, 11:56 PM   #8806
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Of Trump voters in the previous election I suspect you could change between 1-5% with empathy.

This would be sufficient enough to change the outcome of an election. You arenít trying to change the mind of cultists. You are trying to change the mind of a person who is economically better off under Trump.
And that 1-5% who voted Trump, who could have been won over with "empathy" are likely the same 1-5% who voted for Trump, have watched the last 3 years with horror and realized they cannot vote for him again. Empathy isn't going to make them vote for a pro-choice Democrat who supports gun control.

But they might stay home, and that might be enough, if Dems can get better turnout than 2016.


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Lol if you honestly think anyone in the Democrat field has a chance of beating Trump with centrist platitudes and general corporate fellatio.

At least a Bernie-Trump race would be entertaining.
You always have people who will vote Democrat and those who will vote Republican. They're your centrists who are going to vote party line always. What you need to do is get a candidate who excites the ones who don't always vote, who need a catalyst, who need someone who makes them sit up and pay attention.

Obama did that.
Trump did that.
McCain did not, neither did Clinton.

A centrist, moderate candidate isn't getting out the 18-35 vote. That was the issue Dems had in 2016. You aren't changing moderate Republicans, you need your own base fired up. Safe is death.
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Ideally, the ticket will be Sanders-Warren to get out the Dems to vote. There's no other apparent combo that works out there for VP other than maybe Wang.
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Old 02-23-2020, 06:17 AM   #8808
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Warren is a disaster, I'd stay far away. Dont need an old crazy white lady from new England.

I think it could Nina Turner, former Ohio senator and current co-chair if his campaign. Or Wisconsin Senator Tammy Baldwin, one of the leading progressive voices in the Senate and she's gay.
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Amazing seeing the MSNBC coverage, Matthews and Carville are losing it over the Sanders win.
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Amazing seeing the MSNBC coverage, Matthews and Carville are losing it over the Sanders win.
This sigh is incredible.

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Your doctor payment concern can be addressed through tort reform. Or, more easily, getting rid of the incredibly inefficient current insurance system that saps a great deal of time and money from doctors now in exchange for a very simple one-payor system.
Do you think that any elected representatives at a state or federal level would be interested in tort reform? Many, or most, of these reps are lawyers, have many lawyer friends/contributors or work closely with lawyers. I can't see them being very interested in changing the underpinning of their livelihood.
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Do you think that any elected representatives at a state or federal level would be interested in tort reform? Many, or most, of these reps are lawyers, have many lawyer friends/contributors or work closely with lawyers. I can't see them being very interested in changing the underpinning of their livelihood.
Iím guessing that you arenít terribly familiar with the tort reform measures in Texas? If not, just google ďTexas Medical tort reform.Ē
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Trumps hates it, the media hates it, billionaires hate it. #### em. I’m in. Go Bernie.
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Trumps hates it, the media hates it, billionaires hate it. #### em. Iím in. Go Bernie.
Thatís the spirit!
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Trumps hates it, the media hates it, billionaires hate it. #### em. Iím in. Go Bernie.
Seeing every media outlet on Trump's side will be something.
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Trumps hates it, the media hates it, billionaires hate it. #### em. Iím in. Go Bernie.

This is exactly why Bernie will win in November. The more the media pours on the hate, the stronger he becomes
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This is exactly why Bernie will win in November. The more the media pours on the hate, the stronger he becomes

I don't know. I still think the media's been throwing him softballs. The hate hasn't been strong until last night when they couldn't hide it anymore. The media probably had no idea Bloomberg was as unprepared as he was, cause those were not hard questions.

The next debate will be interesting.
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Warren is a disaster, I'd stay far away. Dont need an old crazy white lady from new England.

I think it could Nina Turner, former Ohio senator and current co-chair if his campaign. Or Wisconsin Senator Tammy Baldwin, one of the leading progressive voices in the Senate and she's gay.
If choosing a female VP isn't an absolute must, I would think Ro Khanna might be an option.
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