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View Poll Results: If you could vote on Super Tuesday who would you vote for?
Joe Biden 35 16.43%
Michael Bloomberg 14 6.57%
Pete Buttigieg 18 8.45%
Amy Klobucher 9 4.23%
Bernie Sanders 102 47.89%
Elizabeth Warren 23 10.80%
Other 12 5.63%
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Old 04-23-2019, 12:27 PM   #61
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Exactly how I feel about this thread: there is a dark current of "whataboutism" flowing through this thread that is both disingenuous and ugly. You can see Republicans and right-wingers prepping and practising their Fox News-style propaganda already...
Who cares about DNC candidates? They are all vegetable lasagnas. Let's not forget: the main purpose and mandate of this thread is to identify, brand and out-post all Calgary Flames fans that could be also RNC sympathizers.

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Old 04-23-2019, 12:27 PM   #62
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So two of your three examples LOST

Bernie was cheated before he had a chance to lose, he was packing arena's while Hillary was packing gymnasiums, and winning the popular vote is nothing to sneeze at.

I think it's enough to prove the old adage that the president has to be a straight, white, christian family man is nearly dead.

IMO, Obama and Trump both got in because they convinced Americans they would represent them and that they were an alternative to the corporate politicians that get rammed down their throats. I think Americans are looking for that a lot more than they want a president that fits the traditional mold.

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Bernie was cheated before he had a chance to lose, he was packing arena's while Hillary was packing gymnasiums, and winning the popular vote is nothing to sneeze at.

I think it's enough to prove the old adage that the president has to be a straight, white, christian family man is nearly dead.

IMO, Obama and Trump both got in because they convinced Americans they would represent them and that they were an alternative to the corporate politicians that get rammed down their throats. I think Americans are looking for that a lot more than they want a president that fits the traditional mold.
I think you're underestimating the importance of the rural vote. Sure... Maybe urban America can look past the sexual orientation of their president, but to win the electoral college, you need to swing some purple states in your direction. I just can't see the rural American voter bring able to get behind a gay candidate. Especially in areas that historically vote Republican. Hell, I can't imagine a lot of urban Democrats getting excited enough to go out and vote for a homosexual. America is still a deeply religious country, unlike most liberal democracies.
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I guess it boils down to: do Americans hate gays more than they hate jews/blacks/women/orange buffoons? I doubt it.
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I think you're underestimating the importance of the rural vote. Sure... Maybe urban America can look past the sexual orientation of their president, but to win the electoral college, you need to swing some purple states in your direction. I just can't see the rural American voter bring able to get behind a gay candidate. Especially in areas that historically vote Republican. Hell, I can't imagine a lot of urban Democrats getting excited enough to go out and vote for a homosexual. America is still a deeply religious country, unlike most liberal democracies.

I've said this before. I dont think minority voters (blacks, Latinos and asians) get behind a gay candidate.

Democrats shouldnt simply take that voting block for granted.
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LOL! So I guess the question of whether the usual suspects on this forum will tolerate any subject in American politics other than raging about Trump and the Republicans has been answered.
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I think you're underestimating the importance of the rural vote. Sure... Maybe urban America can look past the sexual orientation of their president, but to win the electoral college, you need to swing some purple states in your direction. I just can't see the rural American voter bring able to get behind a gay candidate. Especially in areas that historically vote Republican. Hell, I can't imagine a lot of urban Democrats getting excited enough to go out and vote for a homosexual. America is still a deeply religious country, unlike most liberal democracies.
The rural vote goes 90% Republican anyway, even in blue states.

The pro-labour, not necessarily social liberal vote in the rust belts is by far the most important swing vote. It is more than likely the only thing that matters this election. I don't know if he appeals to those states or not. He definitely is not nearly the lock against Trump as Sanders or Biden is though.
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Sounds like Biden will announce on Thursday that he is running.
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I've said this before. I dont think minority voters (blacks, Latinos and asians) get behind a gay candidate.

Democrats shouldnt simply take that voting block for granted.
Are you suggesting minorities and blue collar Democrats won't dutifully fall in line behind the educated white liberal professionals who set the agenda in the media?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...-collar-221913

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But a closer examination of the data tells a different story. Ocasio-Cortez’s best precincts were places like the neighborhood where Bonthius and his friends live: highly educated, whiter and richer than the district as a whole. In those neighborhoods, Ocasio-Cortez clobbered Crowley by 70 percent or more. Crowley’s best precincts, meanwhile, were the working-class African-American enclave of LeFrak City, where he got more than 60 percent of the vote, and portions of heavily Hispanic Corona. He pulled some of his best numbers in Ocasio-Cortez’s heavily Latino and African-American neighborhood of Parkchester, in the Bronx—beating her by more than 25 points on her home turf.

Ocasio-Cortez, the young Latina who proudly identifies as a democratic socialist, hadn’t been all but vaulted into Congress by the party’s diversity, or a blue-collar base looking to even the playing field. She won because she had galvanized the college-educated gentrifiers who are displacing those people...

Energized liberals, largely college-educated or beyond, have been voting in a new breed of activist Democrat—and voting out more established candidates with strong support among the party’s largely minority, immigrant, Hispanic, African-American and non-college-educated base...

As the party’s attention turns to the presidential nominating season, one of its biggest challenges will be navigating this culture war in its own ranks. The energy at the moment is with the liberal wing, centered around cities and college towns and on the coasts, its members mostly white and college-educated and far to the left on social and cultural issues compared with the rest of the party. But its voting majority is still more blue-collar and diverse, many of whom favor an incremental approach on social issues and who are more interested in preserving the clout of longtime powers like Crowley and Capuano than in notching symbolic victories for the “resistance.”
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I would love it if AOC was a nominee just to watch the entire GOP's collective head explode. They wouldn't be able to help themselves and would do nothing but focus attack her.

In fact, that might actually be a great strategy for the Dems to offer her up as a sacrificial lamb meanwhile they quietly push the real candidate through the process.
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I would love it if AOC was a nominee just to watch the entire GOP's collective head explode. They wouldn't be able to help themselves and would do nothing but focus attack her.

In fact, that might actually be a great strategy for the Dems to offer her up as a sacrificial lamb meanwhile they quietly push the real candidate through the process.
AOC is 29, and you have to be 35 to be President.
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Interesting comments on Bernie in the NYT today: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/o...020-trump.html

Democratic pollsters are worried about Sanders' support in the suburbs and among centrists, and economists hate his policies, but he has moved ahead of Biden in most early polls, and has by far the most donations thus far.

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On Monday, the Sanders campaign released internal campaign polling by Tulchin Research that shows that at the moment Sanders is running ahead of Trump in the three key industrial states that gave Trump his 2016 Electoral College victory.

When voters were asked, “If the election were held today, who would you vote for, Bernie Sanders, the Democrat, or Donald Trump, the Republican,” Sanders led 52-41 in Michigan, 52-42 in Wisconsin and 51-43 in Pennsylvania.
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Embedded in that 12% of primary voters numbers are two groups:

1) Republicans who can vote in the Democratic primary; and

2) Voters who are of the "blow it all up and start over" mindset.
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Sanders led 52-41 in Michigan, 52-42 in Wisconsin and 51-43 in Pennsylvania

Bernie, come on down!
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Sanders might win the Dem nomination but I think he's way way too far left to win the general election.
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Bernie was cheated before he had a chance to lose, he was packing arena's while Hillary was packing gymnasiums, and winning the popular vote is nothing to sneeze at.

I think it's enough to prove the old adage that the president has to be a straight, white, christian family man is nearly dead.

IMO, Obama and Trump both got in because they convinced Americans they would represent them and that they were an alternative to the corporate politicians that get rammed down their throats. I think Americans are looking for that a lot more than they want a president that fits the traditional mold.
Popular vote is irrelevant...who won? It's like losing a hockey game but saying "we had more shots"

Rules don't change next election...Dems either win the electoral college or Trump gets another four years. Hillary was a bad candidate with a bad campaign (she lost to Trump ffs)

No moral victories...

I think Biden beats Trump, the others are a coin toss.
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Hillary was a bad candidate with a bad campaign
how so?
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how so?
Well, she lost to Donald ####ing Trump, for starters...
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Well, she lost to Donald ####ing Trump, for starters...
ah yes, but he was a great candidate with a great campaign, building walls and assaulting women, racist dog whistling, everything one could want in a candidate.
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how so?
Well, for starters she didn't campaign in the rust belt.

But over and above that the electorate had fatigue from Clinton. She's been in the national political spotlight for decades and running for increasing levels of power since she left the Whitehouse. She came off as a power hungry establishment politician that was happy to keep the status quo.

Under normal circumstances she would have been a good/mediocre candidate but considering her opponent, the mood of the country and her history, she was perhaps the worst possible candidate at the worst possible time.
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