Coronavirus and sports

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by rhino

Or who cares..... this thing is being made a bigger deal then necessary. Because it’s out of China there is a certain fear factor applied. This is not Ebola for crying out loud.

If you think Ebola is a pandemic concern for North America, you need to do more research on viruses or just listen to the experts.

“This isn’t Ebola”. Oh you mean the virus I have a less chance of getting than winning the lottery by being someone who isn’t a health care provider, in North America.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

It will be interesting to see how it is handled here. Some of the Italian soccer games cancelled are much bigger events in terms of money/tv at stake than any NHL game would be. Why would they cancel and the NHL not?

I don't think they actually canceled games. Now, I'm not at all sure if I've understood it correctly, but...

Originally they were supposed to play some games in empty stadiums, but this got so much backlash from fans that the games were postponed instead. So essentially they got postponed because they were too big to not let the audience in.

This seems like an unlikely thing to happen for the NHL, as the NHL plays so many games per year that moving a whole portion of them around is likely not worth the effort or feasible.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

You're right Ebola killed 1 in 3 but it's transmitted via direct contact with blood or bodily fluids, Corona is transmitted like the flu but has a longer incubation period and a 200x fatality rate. Yeah, it's nothing to fear

20x fatality rate. Fatality rate from flu is .1%.

The thing is with this Virus we will do more to try to limit infection so you likely don’t have 10% of the pop getting it every year. That also means they will Cancel large events like NHL games which you wouldn’t for the Flu.

The other scary part of this is the percent of cases that need ICU care is about 10% at this point. Even assuming under diagnosis is a factor of 10 that would be 1% of cases needing the ICU which would very quickly overwhelm the system. Once you don’t have ICU beds the death rate goes up further.

Chinese and South Korean containment measures appear to be working.

So I would expect cancelation / empty stadium games. Given the severity of the outbreak in Washington I’d expect Vancouver to be the first NHL city hit with this decision.

[GullFoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1235700922430316544

I talked to my season ticket holder rep and he said a policy with tickets and coronavirus hasn't even been discussed internally. That sounds rediculous to me.


I skeptical side thinks that as soon as ticket renewal period is over, we'll hear about what might happen if this gets bad in the playoffs. Because the entire perk of access to playoff tickets might be a moot point this year if the games are played in empty stadiums

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1235700922430316544

I talked to my season ticket holder rep and he said a policy with tickets and coronavirus hasn't even been discussed internally. That sounds rediculous to me.


I skeptical side thinks that as soon as ticket renewal period is over, we'll hear about what might happen if this gets bad in the playoffs. Because the entire perk of access to playoff tickets might be a moot point this year if the games are played in empty stadiums

I imagine the NHL won't cancel games unless forced to by government. They won't want to refund money.

[Reggie Dunlop]

The NBA is preparing contingency plans.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1236217029587279874

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GGG

20x fatality rate. Fatality rate from flu is .1%.

The thing is with this Virus we will do more to try to limit infection so you likely don’t have 10% of the pop getting it every year. That also means they will Cancel large events like NHL games which you wouldn’t for the Flu.

The other scary part of this is the percent of cases that need ICU care is about 10% at this point. Even assuming under diagnosis is a factor of 10 that would be 1% of cases needing the ICU which would very quickly overwhelm the system. Once you don’t have ICU beds the death rate goes up further.

Chinese and South Korean containment measures appear to be working.

So I would expect cancelation / empty stadium games. Given the severity of the outbreak in Washington I’d expect Vancouver to be the first NHL city hit with this decision.

who do you report that you have the flu? How many people call their doctor when they throw up and run a fever for a couple of days? Does their Doctor track and report patients with the flu? Does it go on your medical record ?

Have you ever had the flu? Have you said you have the flu when you have a hangover or want to skip out of work for a few days.


How do they do these counts?

[Kasi]

Yeah this rate is made of a numerator and denominator. The numerator is quite clearly tracked since deaths is a fairly severe outcome. I’d not be surprised if the denominator is completely inaccurate here. It’s possible a million people have been exposed rather than 100k and that would make the rate a lot less scary.

[Mayo]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Yeah this rate is made of a numerator and denominator. The numerator is quite clearly tracked since deaths is a fairly severe outcome. I’d not be surprised if the denominator is completely inaccurate here. It’s possible a million people have been exposed rather than 100k and that would make the rate a lot less scary.

Agreed

I hope they don't cancel games - coronavirus appears to be so blown out of proportion - I am probably more likely to die driving to the game

High risk people need to be responsible and take care of themselves (limit contact w/ ppl - washing hands etc etc)

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Mayo

Agreed

I hope they don't cancel games - coronavirus appears to be so blown out of proportion - I am probably more likely to die driving to the game

High risk people need to be responsible and take care of themselves (limit contact w/ ppl - washing hands etc etc)

The point of all of this is to prevent an outbreak like they have in Italy and South Korea and then spread it to the higher risk people (although its not like just high risk people have died from this) who then spread it to more people. Its not because you - one guy on the internet - might catch it.

[GullFoss]

The NCAA is making contingencies for March Madness to be played in empty stadiums...

March Madness Will Go On, but in a Worst Case, Without Mad Fans https://www.wsj.com/articles/march-m...ns-11583599569

[PeteMoss]

Women's World Hockey Championship to be cancelled. Was going to be in Nova Scotia.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/iihf...irus-concerns/

[Aarongavey]

Empty stadiums seems like the responsible thing to do at this point, internet doctors opinions aside.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I imagine the NHL won't cancel games unless forced to by government. They won't want to refund money.

Social distancing is going to be a major strategy in dealing with coronavirus. I would be appalled if governments didn't make this decision when community spread became obvious.

[Aarongavey]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...irus-concerns/

NHL is closing locker rooms to media, all media interactions will take place via press conference due to coronavirus concerns.

[Press Level]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...irus-concerns/

NHL is closing locker rooms to media, all media interactions will take place via press conference due to coronavirus concerns.

Probably a good plan. Spector strikes me as one of those guys who doesn't wash his hands.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Lol this is getting stupid.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The NBA is preparing contingency plans.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1236217029587279874

Lebron has said "if no fans I'm not playing" so could make for an interesting dynamic within the NBA.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/laker...i-aint-playing

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Or maybe the fear factor is the virus is still pretty unknown, and it's infected 10's of thousands while killing thousands, and the spread hasn't been contained.
ebola is fairly easy to stop. this isn't.

are you just being willfully ignorant?

Shouldn't be too long before this hits and NHL city as it's now spreading in the states.
I can't see games being cancelled, but perhaps played in empty arenas if it his hard here.

I don't think rhino is being ignorant. I think the Coronavirus or COVID-19 is just a bit blown out of proportions by the media as another "Shock-and-Awe" to get the everyone all riled up and running with at least some fear or with some emotions. Although this virus is quite virulent and spreads fast, I don't think the majority of the populations in this world needs to push the panic button. As long as you're younger than 60 and don't have any respiratory or health concerns, if you get the virus, you'll live to get another strain of virus or some other flu virus. A bonus to catching a virus and living through it is that you'll be immune to the virus after your body recovers from the illness.

It's ridiculous for people to go out to Costco and buy out all the toilet papers and bottled water! Seriously, I actually saw people getting mostly those two things when I went to replenish my pop stash. Talk about people freaking out for nothing! My co-worker caught the H1N1 virus back in the day when the Bird Flu struck North America and he didn't even travel outside of Canada. Funny thing was, his wife didn't catch it. And he said it was just like catching the cold.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CSharp

I don't think rhino is being ignorant. I think the Coronavirus or COVID-19 is just a bit blown out of proportions by the media as another "Shock-and-Awe" to get the everyone all riled up and running with at least some fear or with some emotions. Although this virus is quite virulent and spreads fast, I don't think the majority of the populations in this world needs to push the panic button. As long as you're younger than 60 and don't have any respiratory or health concerns, if you get the virus, you'll live to get another strain of virus or some other flu virus. A bonus to catching a virus and living through it is that you'll be immune to the virus after your body recovers from the illness.

It's ridiculous for people to go out to Costco and buy out all the toilet papers and bottled water! Seriously, I actually saw people getting mostly those two things when I went to replenish my pop stash. Talk about people freaking out for nothing! My co-worker caught the H1N1 virus back in the day when the Bird Flu struck North America and he didn't even travel outside of Canada. Funny thing was, his wife didn't catch it. And he said it was just like catching the cold.

I agree on the toilet paper and water stuff.

But any of restrictions are for the larger community as a whole. Not just for you who is at a low risk of serious illness or death. Yes you can get it and be fine, but then you give it to 5 other people and 2 of them are old or diabetic and don't survive.