The intellectual dark web

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

You think wearing a dress from a culture that doesn't match your skin colour is evidence of racism, which is a product of your particular ideology. Even the language you use - "appropriating elements from a culture (traditional Chinese dress), a privilege born from systemic racism/colonialism" - is tied directly to this ideology. It carries with it implicit assumptions about what counts as racism, what's acceptable and unacceptable for white, african american, asian, and other identity groups, and what sorts of behaviours people should be morally concerned about. All of which would be rejected by anyone who doesn't subscribe to identitarian views like the ones you subscribe to. That is why people ascribe the ideology to you - you routinely talk the talk. Fine, you believe what you believe, just don't act so shocked when people make that connection.

That’s an awful lot of time you’ve attempted to spend in my head. Be prepared to be ejected onto a New Jersey turnpike.

I’m sure not what specifically ideology I adhere to, but I’m, again, literally pointing out the connections people make in these cases. The reason being, as I again, explained, was to give Ashasx reasoning so that he understood that the reason people “throw around” a term like “racism,” isn’t without evidence, it just may not be especially GOOD evidence (which in this case, I pointed to that being true).

Just... stop. You’re flailing into some argument that I’m not even sure you know the reason for entering. Yadda yadda. Tribes. Ideology. Indentarian, etc etc etc. I’ve got all your albums, I don’t need the greatest hits. I get the schtick.

[Enoch Root]

It is you that needs to stop.

"I know it wasn't racism, but calling it racism was totally fine because 'evidence'"

Sometimes you have to pick which hill you want to die on. And this ain't much of a hill.

[PsYcNeT]

Sometimes talking about modern phenomena on this forum is like trying to walk an elderly coworker through logging into new software.

[Ashasx]

apparently CHL has a schtick but you guys think it's patently valid to believe that wearing a dress is an indication of systemic racism.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

terms like racism are used based on evidence that may, in the end, not actually support that conclusion.

Me? I think she was fine to where the dress. I liked her reasoning for it and she stood behind it.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No. It is only appropriate to call someone racist if they were, in fact, being racist.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I agree... What you can’t do is call someone a racist who exhibits behaviour that could be construed as racist, without an opportunity to explain before any such accusation is made.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I was just explaining the thought of individuals who use it as a jumping off point to make the racism claim. I barely GAF about cultural appropriation.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

"I know it wasn't racism, but calling it racism was totally fine because 'evidence'"

Thanks for following along, I guess.

I missed the part where I applauded their mindset and said “sure, there’s evidence, so you can totally just call anyone racist if there is,” because I’m positive i’ve said the opposite multiple times.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

apparently CHL has a schtick but you guys think it's patently valid to believe that wearing a dress is an indication of systemic racism.

It’s not valid, it’s just a thing some people think.

[SebC]

You know what's actually racist? Saying that what you can wear, eat, cook, listen to, sing, produce, watch, love, or look like should be restricted by where you're from. Those who hold the notion that cultural appropriation is racim have it backwards, and cultural exclusivity directly conflicts with the principles of liberalism.

[rubecube]

I kind of think if you can't understand why marginalized people might feel offended by certain forms of cultural appropriation, you might be lacking historical context and/or some basic empathy.

[DiracSpike]

Clearly this 17 year old girl in Utah is complicit in the Chinese head tax of the early 1900s.

Do you guys actually believe this dogmatic crap or are you just trying to look enlightened? Marginalized? Chinese people earn more than even your favourite boogeymen, the beneficiaries of all the rampant systemic racism that supposedly exists, white men. Cultural appropriation is the dumbest issue that's ever been conjured up, better tell everyone who's non white to stop wearing suits and ties.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I kind of think if you can't understand why marginalized people might feel offended by certain forms of cultural appropriation, you might be lacking historical context and/or some basic empathy.

I can understand why marginalized people can be offended by costumes that are, prima facie, rascist (like cartoons of the culture meant to demean). I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would be offended by a girl wearing a dress from another culture to her prom because she thinks it's beautiful.

If you are offended by this you have the most ridiculous victim complex of all time.




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[rubecube]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Clearly this 17 year old girl in Utah is complicit in the Chinese head tax of the early 1900s.

Do you guys actually believe this dogmatic crap or are you just trying to look enlightened? Marginalized? Chinese people earn more than even your favourite boogeymen, the beneficiaries of all the rampant systemic racism that supposedly exists, white men. Cultural appropriation is the dumbest issue that's ever been conjured up, better tell everyone who's non white to stop wearing suits and ties.

Do I really have to spell out that I was making a generalized statement about cultural appropriation and not speaking to this specific example?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Clearly this 17 year old girl in Utah is complicit in the Chinese head tax of the early 1900s.

Do you guys actually believe this dogmatic crap or are you just trying to look enlightened? Marginalized? Chinese people earn more than even your favourite boogeymen, the beneficiaries of all the rampant systemic racism that supposedly exists, white men. Cultural appropriation is the dumbest issue that's ever been conjured up, better tell everyone who's non white to stop wearing suits and ties.

Agreed.

But honestly, not sure how many times cultural appropriation can be explained and that explanation then get used as some evidence as full, 100% validation and support of it’s usage. You guys are being kind of ridiculously triggered here.

If people explain the reason someone murdered someone, nobody jumps down their throat and says “How dare you justify that murder! You’re supporting murder? You are ridiculous!”

No, instead people just nod along, realising that explaining the motive of the murderer is not, actually, the same as justifying it. And we all agree that their motive is bad, because despite however it may sound, the end result was bad and unecessary.

Considering there hasn’t been a single comment negative comment suggesting the girl in the dress was wrong, or that it was even a GOOD, justifiable example of cultural appropriation, then you guys are unecessarily triggered. Again, nothing wrong with what the girl was doing, and pointing out the dots other people connect is not the same as supporting that connection.

[PsYcNeT]

When did I even weigh in on this? Y'all speak to the royal "you" but I haven't even made my feelings known.

Weird forum.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

When did I even weigh in on this? Y'all speak to the royal "you" but I haven't even made my feelings known.

Weird forum.

You posted a video about cultural appropriation. Thus it is assumed:

- you are aware of cultural appropriation
- you believe in the validation of cultural appropriation
- you believe every example of cultural appropriation is valid
- you are extremely upset over the girl’s prom dress
- you believe white people are the boogeyman
- you want the girl punished for her actions
- you believe the girl is racist
- you want the girl punished for those actions as well
- you are part of a identarian, leftists, Marxist, regressive leftists tribe that wants to take down innocent girls with your dogma
- you are actually the racist, because mentioning cultural appropriation with the 100% support that you’ve shown by posting a video is actually racist against whites

...or something along those lines

[jammies]

Are we actually arguing semantics over a definition that everybody agrees upon? That's what it seems like. "Here's a thing, that some call *the* thing, but isn't actually the thing, so yeah, things still exist."

[PsYcNeT]

I actually think most cries of cultural appropriation are garbage, from the prom dress to hand wringing about gross white dreads, or people mad about fusion dining (lol).

There's a pretty clear line between actual racist behaviour and passive appropriation, but I also think there's a valid conversation to be had about where that line is and how much it's shifted in the last 30 years. That said, I don't really get to decice how other cultures may feel about what they see as appropriation, and i definitely feel like oppressor/oppressed situations are a bit more egregious.

It's a shame that the posters on this forum are more interested on scoring cheap likes and virtue signaling to one another rather than acknowledging the conversation.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

When did I even weigh in on this? Y'all speak to the royal "you" but I haven't even made my feelings known.

Weird forum.

+1 to victim status!

[DownInFlames]

Happy Cinco De Mayo everybody! Let’s all get drunk and eat burritos while we celebrate Mexican independence! Of course, none of those things have anything to do with the actual holiday.

That’s real cultural appropriation. It’s now more of an American celebration with little though given to authenticity. It’s not that non-Mexicans shouldn’t participate. Go for it, just leave the sombrero at home and have a little respect for the culture.

[Red Slinger]

You got the wrong day bud.

May the 4th be with you.

/Nerd sub-culture appropriation.

[Fuzz]

I'm still a loud to get blackout dunk on tequila today though, right? Or is that racist now too?