[News] Flames still in contract negotiations with Lazar

[FlamesAddiction]

I would rather give Rychel or Robinson another shot before Lazar.

Glad we kept Quine in the fold for now though.

[Roof-Daddy]

I was hoping his bout with Mono had stalled his development and that he'd eventually come around, but that doesn't seem like it will happen.

No problem moving on now. Was a gamble that failed.

[genetic_phreek]

I don't understand how people say he's been given a chance?

He's never been given more than 4th line minutes wearing the Flames jersey which I think his production is in line with.

70 games played, 15 points with average TOI 9:54 = 0.21 PPG

Just for comparison:

Hathaway 175 games, 40 points with average TOI 10:47 = 0.23 PPG
Mangiapane 54 games, 13 points with average TOI 10:15 = 0.24 PPG
Dube 25 games, 5 points with average TOI 10:04 = 0.2 PPG

Personally I would love it if he stayed given another chance to and played on the wing with Backs. I've read somewhere earlier on the season that they have a good relationship which might translate onto the ice.

Lazar already has good physical tools and is a positive kid. Type of player we can utilize better IMO.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I don't understand how people say he's been given a chance?

He's never been given more than 4th line minutes wearing the Flames jersey which I think his production is in line with.

70 games played, 15 points with average TOI 9:54 = 0.21 PPG

Just for comparison:

Hathaway 175 games, 40 points with average TOI 10:47 = 0.23 PPG
Mangiapane 54 games, 13 points with average TOI 10:15 = 0.24 PPG
Dube 25 games, 5 points with average TOI 10:04 = 0.2 PPG

Personally I would love it if he stayed given another chance to and played on the wing with Backs. I've read somewhere earlier on the season that they have a good relationship which might translate onto the ice.

Lazar already has good physical tools and is a positive kid. Type of player we can utilize better IMO.

Whereas I don't agree that he hasn't been given a chance, I totally think he's worth having on a 2-way deal... no question for me... I'd use one of the 50 spots on him, for sure. I still see a potential NHLer in Lazar.

[N-E-B]

Bring him back for Stockton, sure, but I can’t believe I just read a post suggesting playing Lazar on the 2nd line with Backlund

Dude has 3 goals in his entire time with the Flames. They already utilized him better by using him in the American League.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Some of his comments sure seem to give the impression that he thinks he’s a lot better than he really is.

Kudos for confidence, kid, but there are a thousand and one Lazars out there.

Without that mentality, you don’t make it to that level.

[3thirty]

I think the Flames and him will agree on a high AHL paying deal, he gets some guaranteed money and has a chance to move up.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I don't understand how people say he's been given a chance?

He's never been given more than 4th line minutes wearing the Flames jersey which I think his production is in line with.

70 games played, 15 points with average TOI 9:54 = 0.21 PPG

Just for comparison:

Hathaway 175 games, 40 points with average TOI 10:47 = 0.23 PPG
Mangiapane 54 games, 13 points with average TOI 10:15 = 0.24 PPG
Dube 25 games, 5 points with average TOI 10:04 = 0.2 PPG

Personally I would love it if he stayed given another chance to and played on the wing with Backs. I've read somewhere earlier on the season that they have a good relationship which might translate onto the ice.

Lazar already has good physical tools and is a positive kid. Type of player we can utilize better IMO.

But the AHL production isn’t there either. Every one Mangiapane, Dube, and even Hathaway are + 1.00 pts/GP in the AHL where Lazar is not even close. There just isn’t any good evidence to suggest he is a NHL player.


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[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But the AHL production isn’t there either. Every one Mangiapane, Dube, and even Hathaway are + 1.00 pts/GP in the AHL where Lazar is not even close. There just isn’t any good evidence to suggest he is a NHL player.


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Can people not get rid of that stupid Tapatalk signature? It’s annoying

Hathaway is nowhere near 1 pt/GM in the AHL in his career. Lazar did have good numbers last year. There is evidence to suggest he could be an NHLer, which is why the flames are interested in signing him to a 2 way deal.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Can people not get rid of that stupid Tapatalk signature? It’s annoying

Hathaway is nowhere near 1 pt/GM in the AHL in his career. Lazar did have good numbers last year. There is evidence to suggest he could be an NHLer, which is why the flames are interested in signing him to a 2 way deal.

Yep other than an 18 game stretch in his final AHL season, Hathaway has never even been close to a point a game..

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Can people not get rid of that stupid Tapatalk signature? It’s annoying

I refuse.

Hathaway is nowhere near 1 pt/GM in the AHL in his career. Lazar did have good numbers last year. There is evidence to suggest he could be an NHLer, which is why the flames are interested in signing him to a 2 way deal.

Hathaway was a 1.00 pts/GP in the AHL his last year, and I am not especially impressed by Lazar considering his age and prior NHL experience. I expect a lot more from him, and has not delivered.


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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Can people not get rid of that stupid Tapatalk signature? It’s annoying.

Textcritic keeps it because it is, well, annoying. He's said it many times and refuses to make the simple config change to suppress the signature.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Can people not get rid of that stupid Tapatalk signature? It’s annoying

Hathaway is nowhere near 1 pt/GM in the AHL in his career. Lazar did have good numbers last year. There is evidence to suggest he could be an NHLer, which is why the flames are interested in signing him to a 2 way deal.

Well...except when he plays in the NHL.

He is one of the most typical guys that can play in the A, but are way over their heads at the next level. There are, literally, hundreds of them through the years.

[TheIronMaiden]

Even after 246 NHL games, Lazar still handles the puck like a grenade.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Even after 246 NHL games, Lazar still handles the puck like a grenade.

Just needs the confidence that only comes.from signing a minor league deal.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't see him as having much of a chance either. Sometimes you just need to give someone playing time, especially if they show a willingness to work hard and be defensively responsible. I actually think he is the most capable roster player to replace Frolik - hard on the forecheck/backcheck and just disrupt the defensive zone exits for the other team.


Lazar has good speed, size, work ethic and high character. Heck, in time, him on a line with Dube might make for a very difficult to evade forecheck line.



I still think he is worth a look. The look he got was with Gulutzan playing the majority of his time on the 4th line, and for most of that he looked disjointed. Then finally near the end of the season he started looking like a capable player out there consistently on a game-to-game basis. Anyone that was watching closely saw that he had improved. How much better can he get once he feels more comfortable with regular line mates? I don't think there is anyone on this board (or perhaps even in the Flames' organization) that can accurately predict how he will do.


Frolik is a very valuable addition to the team because of how he forechecks. Lazar I think is the best bet to replace that (eventually - of course he will require seasoning), but at a much cheaper price. It wouldn't surprise me to see Lazar hit ~40pts in a season and finish as a plus player. Wouldn't surprise me either if he doesn't get another sniff either. I just think it is a fairly safe 'gamble' to take based on what is most assuredly a cheap price tag coupled with his tools he has. Depth should be cheap, and if Hathaway is generating interest from other teams, he is probably not going to come cheap any longer. Frolik will be gone because he is too expensive for what he brings (and has caused a distraction last season with his agent). Lazar and Dube are the most likely candidates to replace both at a cheaper rate. Flames already spent a 2nd round pick on this gamble - why wouldn't they at least take a look at him under a new coach and completely different system?



The depth under Gulutzan didn't produce much on the scoresheet. Sure, some of that is talent, but some of that is also systems-related that slowed this team down and made them easy to defend against. Lazar isn't a top 6 player, but he MAY be an effective 2-way player if given a chance. If he fails and looks terrible out there even after a nice long look, then you send him down to Stockton and forget about him.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I refuse.



Hathaway was a 1.00 pts/GP in the AHL his last year, and I am not especially impressed by Lazar considering his age and prior NHL experience. I expect a lot more from him, and has not delivered.


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So you are sticking with the Tapatalk portion of the sig. What is the projected shelf life of the harem / paintball bit?

I too was hoping Lazar had a challenge with mono and would take some significant steps forward.